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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 17, 2021 7:41:20 GMT
Im not a fan of Shearer but he was right on MoTD we are a very static team and dont press, we give the opposition far too much space to look up and make a pass. Maguire should not have played, a fit Maguire isn't fast but seeing him yesterday obviously not ready was embarrassing but Ole still didn't get him off the pitch. Ronaldo , pogba , sancho , matic , that is 4 out of 10 who is not going to press heavily. Other top teams and mangers dont have that. Forget Klopp , even Pep demands far more from his forwards (remember when he had issues with Aguero despite his obvious quality in finishing , he preffered Jesus) May be teams can carry 1 ronaldo or 1 messi , not 4 |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 17, 2021 8:03:29 GMT
We can’t really press with Ronaldo in the team. It’s a problem. No other top team has a player like him who is basically a passenger when we don’t have the ball. A lot of what Neville said in that Sky link is true. We have no balance. Teams cut through us like we aren’t there. We have lots of attacking talent but it makes no sense how we have constructed this team. The ins and outs in our midfield since Pogba got here make no sense. We should have been buying players who provide defensive cover. Instead we let Matic age without replacing him, let Ander go, and bought Bruno, who has obviously been great, but he has a lot of the same qualities as Pogba. Agree with this , we have number of players in there who dont contribute enough off the ball , which is why i dont have a problem with 2 defensive minded players in midfield. With Ronaldo , Pogba , Sancho in the starting line up , we need that defensive work to come from somewhere else. We are usually even worse without McFred as we saw yesterday yesterday. (regardless Fred is simply not good enough at this level and need to be replaced, but not sure if Donny is the answer). But all this again falls on the manager , why did he buy Donny ? why is he not firm on Pogba situation. By his time we should be launching a full on charge for the title not make excuses. It's everyone's job to put pressure on the ball irrespective of how many DMs you play with. You have to press from the front. It's much easier to ask Ronaldo to press 10 or 15 metre spaces instead of a whole half as he's currently being asked to do. As Johan Cruyff used to say, "Defending is a matter of how much space I have to defend". The best teams aggressively press from the oppositions halfway line. That's the modern game, you have to be relentless. Liverpool's midfield consists of Milner, Keita and Henderson. Those 3 are hardly world beaters but there work ethic puts the likes of Scotty and Pogba to shame. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 17, 2021 8:09:06 GMT
Think the romanticising of José is a bit embarrassing to be honest. The atmosphere was as sour as it’s ever been when he went. You can talk about what he’d do with this squad all you want, but he didn’t build this squad did he. He bought a load of shit players, some of which are still stinking the squad out now. He made the whole squad miserable, to a man. He made the atmosphere so chronic that really all Ole had to do at first was cheer the players up to look like a genius by comparison.
Anyway, my worry is the same as it’s been more or less since Fergie retired. The mentality of the club within the playing staff and at boardroom level is appalling. Failure is acceptable and I don’t think that will change regardless of who is in charge.
Ole obviously isn’t good enough, but we’ll not sack him for months. Which in itself demonstrates the larger problem we face.
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Post by safariRed on Oct 17, 2021 9:18:41 GMT
Im not a fan of Shearer but he was right on MoTD we are a very static team and dont press, we give the opposition far too much space to look up and make a pass. Maguire should not have played, a fit Maguire isn't fast but seeing him yesterday obviously not ready was embarrassing but Ole still didn't get him off the pitch. It's starts from the top, if this guy Ole doesn't tell the boys to press they won't press. Pressing is also a tactic in itself in that you can't press because it's what "hard working players do" no, you press to allow players to move into positions z.y.x thus forcing the opposing team to shift players out of position to quickly make space to receive the ball. Unless the team is Barca 08-2013 they won't pass it quickly or accurately enough before making a mistake which is when you capitalise on it. This is not how we play or have tried to play in the past 3 years, we sit back and wait to hit the opposition on the counter with pace and DNA! Ole. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 17, 2021 9:52:57 GMT
Because our defensive standard bearer has four relegations to his name for a reason. I dont agree he is that bad , imo he is still the second best CB in our squad. But he is returning from injury without any sort of practice or match fitness , its on Ole who started him and continued for the entire 90 mins. Don't agree all you like. You're wrong. Maguire playing for us is a greater embarrassment than Fellaini. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Oct 17, 2021 9:55:33 GMT
Ole’s record so far this season is 5 wins, 2 draws and 4 losses - identical to Jose’s record at this stage in his last season. I doubt any of our fanbase think in hindsight Jose deserved to stay at that point, and he had a significantly worse squad - no Ronaldo, Bruno, Greenwood or Varane, the first three of whom played 90 yesterday.
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Post by Stretty on Oct 17, 2021 10:12:54 GMT
Ole’s record so far this season is 5 wins, 2 draws and 4 losses - identical to Jose’s record at this stage in his last season. I doubt any of our fanbase think in hindsight Jose deserved to stay at that point, and he had a significantly worse squad - no Ronaldo, Bruno, Greenwood or Varane, the first three of whom played 90 yesterday. 2 of those wins we where very luck(wolves and Villarreal) and the latter should have been 4 up at half time. Newcastle was a bit flattering for us as they matched us for a good hour. West Ham could have gone either way and if moyes had gone full Southgate by bringing on noble that game finish’s 2-2. Leeds is the only game I can’t think of where we looked half decent but they just play to our strengths like they did last season. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 17, 2021 12:11:16 GMT
Who's got the losingest streak when it comes to thread creation? Cohle? Or Tatty?
Whoever it is, start the scouse match thread.
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Post by Paul on Oct 17, 2021 13:26:00 GMT
The team has poor movement, it does not press the opposition when they have the ball, it creates little from open play and some players are not putting it all in. I can see Liverpool running riot against us as they did against Watford as defensively we are at their level. The back four we have is more than good enough, when properly coached. Defensive positioning is a real problem and has been for some time now and is yet to be addressed, there's no structure to the defense either which lies with those off the pitch. The only defender so far that is performing as he should is Varane. Speaking of defence...playing out from the back. It doesn't work and we are shit at it. Again another off the field instruction. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 17, 2021 16:19:29 GMT
Agree with this , we have number of players in there who dont contribute enough off the ball , which is why i dont have a problem with 2 defensive minded players in midfield. With Ronaldo , Pogba , Sancho in the starting line up , we need that defensive work to come from somewhere else. We are usually even worse without McFred as we saw yesterday yesterday. (regardless Fred is simply not good enough at this level and need to be replaced, but not sure if Donny is the answer). But all this again falls on the manager , why did he buy Donny ? why is he not firm on Pogba situation. By his time we should be launching a full on charge for the title not make excuses. irrespective of how many DMs you play with. You have to press from the front. It's much easier to ask Ronaldo to press 10 or 15 metre spaces instead of a whole half as he's currently being asked to do. As Johan Cruyff used to say, "Defending is a matter of how much space I have to defend". The best teams aggressively press from the oppositions halfway line. That's the modern game, you have to be relentless. Liverpool's midfield consists of Milner, Keita and Henderson. Those 3 are hardly world beaters but there work ethic puts the likes of Scotty and Pogba to shame. I agree , but the likes of Ronaldo,pogba,sancho and even Matic do not press enough. May be bit controversial , but I felt we were in control versus Everton , things started falling apart after cavani was subbed for ronaldo. Either Ole should demand more from them or he should find some other way to compensate for a lack of pressing with some other tactical tweaks. As of now both are not happening and manager looks completely clueless. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 17, 2021 16:58:51 GMT
It's everyone's job to put pressure on the ball irrespective of how many DMs you play with. You have to press from the front. It's much easier to ask Ronaldo to press 10 or 15 metre spaces instead of a whole half as he's currently being asked to do. As Johan Cruyff used to say, "Defending is a matter of how much space I have to defend". The best teams aggressively press from the oppositions halfway line. That's the modern game, you have to be relentless. Liverpool's midfield consists of Milner, Keita and Henderson. Those 3 are hardly world beaters but there work ethic puts the likes of Scotty and Pogba to shame. I agree , but the likes of Ronaldo,pogba,sancho and even Matic do not press enough. May be bit controversial , but I felt we were in control versus Everton , things started falling apart after cavani was subbed for ronaldo. Either Ole should demand more from them or he should find some other way to compensate for a lack of pressing with some other tactical tweaks. As of now both are not happening and manager looks completely clueless. Yes, it's the players making the manager look bad. ... Fucking Zeus man.  |
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Post by weebay on Oct 17, 2021 17:36:18 GMT
I agree , but the likes of Ronaldo,pogba,sancho and even Matic do not press enough. May be bit controversial , but I felt we were in control versus Everton , things started falling apart after cavani was subbed for ronaldo. Either Ole should demand more from them or he should find some other way to compensate for a lack of pressing with some other tactical tweaks. As of now both are not happening and manager looks completely clueless. Yes, it's the players making the manager look bad. ... Fucking Zeus man. He said the manager looks completely clueless |
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Post by mightyez on Oct 17, 2021 18:19:18 GMT
Let’s be honest. Ole’s former teammates won’t directly come out and say he should be sacked.
But the fact they are talking about it is them being clever, they are keeping the topic warm and that’s because they want him out, they know he is not and he never will be good enough to make the next step.
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Post by Paul on Oct 17, 2021 18:53:37 GMT
How come this game is sticky'd anyway? Not sure if it's been said.
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 17, 2021 19:36:29 GMT
It's everyone's job to put pressure on the ball irrespective of how many DMs you play with. You have to press from the front. It's much easier to ask Ronaldo to press 10 or 15 metre spaces instead of a whole half as he's currently being asked to do. As Johan Cruyff used to say, "Defending is a matter of how much space I have to defend". The best teams aggressively press from the oppositions halfway line. That's the modern game, you have to be relentless. Liverpool's midfield consists of Milner, Keita and Henderson. Those 3 are hardly world beaters but there work ethic puts the likes of Scotty and Pogba to shame. I agree , but the likes of Ronaldo,pogba,sancho and even Matic do not press enough. May be bit controversial , but I felt we were in control versus Everton , things started falling apart after cavani was subbed for ronaldo. Either Ole should demand more from them or he should find some other way to compensate for a lack of pressing with some other tactical tweaks. As of now both are not happening and manager looks completely clueless. Ole demands almost nothing from some players and everything from others. |
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