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Post by weebay on Nov 3, 2021 20:08:37 GMT
I love when people act like it's so hard to get Pogba to succeed. Like a secret formula. Literally every other team he has played for has won championships. At the highest level. The key variable here is our club. People also seriously underestimate the amount of good games he has given us, but that's okay. The only person stopping Pogba from succeeding is Pogba himself. You've said it yourself, games, not seasons but games. Pogba has a good game once every 7 or 8 games. It's nowhere near good enough. You're a fan of his I get that but the facts don't lie. Apart from the Leeds game where he's massed the majority of his contribution this season he's been average at best and his attitude is absolute wank. This is his 5th season back at the club and we're still talking about what his best position is ffs, the players around him to get the best from him (notice Bruno doesn't have this problem btw). Just endless excuses. It's not the clubs fault, it's not the managers fault, it's purely on the player. He just doesn't do enough. Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 3, 2021 21:57:04 GMT
The only person stopping Pogba from succeeding is Pogba himself. You've said it yourself, games, not seasons but games. Pogba has a good game once every 7 or 8 games. It's nowhere near good enough. You're a fan of his I get that but the facts don't lie. Apart from the Leeds game where he's massed the majority of his contribution this season he's been average at best and his attitude is absolute wank. This is his 5th season back at the club and we're still talking about what his best position is ffs, the players around him to get the best from him (notice Bruno doesn't have this problem btw). Just endless excuses. It's not the clubs fault, it's not the managers fault, it's purely on the player. He just doesn't do enough. Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. Never go full retard. |
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Post by weebay on Nov 3, 2021 22:07:59 GMT
Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. Never go full retard. Not a nice word, Stew. Let me know which trophies I missed. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 3, 2021 22:53:09 GMT
The only person stopping Pogba from succeeding is Pogba himself. You've said it yourself, games, not seasons but games. Pogba has a good game once every 7 or 8 games. It's nowhere near good enough. You're a fan of his I get that but the facts don't lie. Apart from the Leeds game where he's massed the majority of his contribution this season he's been average at best and his attitude is absolute wank. This is his 5th season back at the club and we're still talking about what his best position is ffs, the players around him to get the best from him (notice Bruno doesn't have this problem btw). Just endless excuses. It's not the clubs fault, it's not the managers fault, it's purely on the player. He just doesn't do enough. Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. I'm not talking about other players, I'm talking about Pogba, talking about others is just deflecting the argument, other players aren't declaring they want to leave or are demanding they want 400k a week when they haven't earned it. It's his attitude which isn't good enough. Last night he was a joke. Pogba is highlighted because he choses to highlight himself in the wrong way, as Keane, Rio and Scholes alluded to last night. Bruno defensive responsibilities? Sorry but when he loses the ball more often than not he chases it back down. Bruno is a team player, Pogba isn't. He can also play a free role because he's capable of doing it. Pogba isn't, he doesn't track back and half the time off the ball is found jogging about because he doesn't give a shit. Also stop using it as a stick to beat Ole with. As I said he did the same under Jose so as much as Ole is to blame for some things, Pogba's piss poor attitude isn't one of them. If he wants to leave then he can kindly fuck off. Can't wait for the day he does. |
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Post by weebay on Nov 3, 2021 23:21:08 GMT
Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. , other players aren't declaring they want to leave or are demanding they want 400k a week when they haven't earned it. It's his attitude which isn't good enough. Last night he was a joke. Pogba is highlighted because he choses to highlight himself in the wrong way, as Keane, Rio and Scholes alluded to last night. Bruno defensive responsibilities? Sorry but when he loses the ball more often than not he chases it back down. Bruno is a team player, Pogba isn't. He can also play a free role because he's capable of doing it. Pogba isn't, he doesn't track back and half the time off the ball is found jogging about because he doesn't give a shit. Also stop using it as a stick to beat Ole with. As I said he did the same under Jose so as much as Ole is to blame for some things, Pogba's piss poor attitude isn't one of them. If he wants to leave then he can kindly fuck off. Can't wait for the day he does. You actually did talk about Bruno. That's the only reason I talked about him. |
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Post by Kojak on Nov 4, 2021 0:03:55 GMT
The only person stopping Pogba from succeeding is Pogba himself. You've said it yourself, games, not seasons but games. Pogba has a good game once every 7 or 8 games. It's nowhere near good enough. You're a fan of his I get that but the facts don't lie. Apart from the Leeds game where he's massed the majority of his contribution this season he's been average at best and his attitude is absolute wank. This is his 5th season back at the club and we're still talking about what his best position is ffs, the players around him to get the best from him (notice Bruno doesn't have this problem btw). Just endless excuses. It's not the clubs fault, it's not the managers fault, it's purely on the player. He just doesn't do enough. Who has had a good season so far? Name the players. If your list includes anyone other than Varane, Ronaldo, and De Gea, it's wrong. This manager has us running around like fucking idiots with no direction or tactics, but everyone essentially gets a pass but Pogba; his performances are all on him. Why should Pogba (or any other player) want to play for this manager? Also, Bruno basically gets to do whatever he wants on the pitch with zero defensive responsibilities. Zero. Complete free role. He is ahead of the striker half the time. Must be fun. I bet that's a lot players' best and most favored position. Bruno has also won us absolutely nothing. Impressive stats though. Pogba has won more trophies for United than Bruno. Bruno does far more defending than Pogba, despite supposedly having no defensive responsibilities. Pogba getting outworked by someone who is allowed to do whatever he wants on the pitch. The shame. |
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Post by weebay on Nov 4, 2021 0:28:16 GMT
Serious Graeme Souness vibes in here.
Lazy, not a team player, selfish, poor attitude. Greatest hits.
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Post by DedRevil on Nov 4, 2021 4:34:20 GMT
Serious Graeme Souness vibes in here. Lazy, not a team player, selfish, poor attitude. Greatest hits. Nah, no racism involved in our views. Just what we've all witnessed with our own eyes. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Nov 4, 2021 6:00:15 GMT
Serious Graeme Souness vibes in here. Lazy, not a team player, selfish, poor attitude. Greatest hits. Tend to disagree, many/most of us have been frustrated with Pogba's output for years - in fact, what you've just listed are all consistently true in the games where he hasn't scored a worldy or decided he's arsed (usually against a bigger side). With the talent, technique and physique he posesses (coupled with his maturing age and honours with France) he should be a leader in this side. He should be setting an example. In stead, we're stuck with a prima-donna who constantly thinks he's bigger than the club, seeking to leave or manipulate the club into a better contract. I don't care what colour/style his hair is, what car he drives or how he embraces celebrity culture - that's all irrelevant when you put in the performances on the pitch week in and week out. United have had their fair share of these players over the years, they are more than welcomed and adored at the club. He doesn't, or at least he hasn't been able to do that for United. Putting in solid performances is not dependant on how great the rest of the team is, Bruno being a case in point - he's stood out regardless of what team he's been asked to play in since he joined. I'd have replaced him with a talented, young, eager and more team-orientated midfielder by now, but we will not get a realistic fee for him now so it's already too late. Truly great players do not represent a rubik's cube of a problem to figure out, ''unlock'' and get the best out of them in my view - particularly if you're not a forward/winger. |
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Post by weebay on Nov 4, 2021 6:19:52 GMT
Serious Graeme Souness vibes in here. Lazy, not a team player, selfish, poor attitude. Greatest hits. Nah, no racism involved in our views. Just what we've all witnessed with our own eyes. To be clear, I wasn’t calling any of you racist. |
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Post by aussiegraham on Nov 4, 2021 6:26:51 GMT
Serious Graeme Souness vibes in here. Lazy, not a team player, selfish, poor attitude. Greatest hits. Tend to disagree, many/most of us have been frustrated with Pogba's output for years - in fact, what you've just listed are all consistently true in the games where he hasn't scored a wordly or decided he's arsed (usually against a bigger side). With the talent, technique and physique he posesses (coupled with his maturing age and honours with France) he should be a leader in this side. He should be setting an example. In stead, we're stuck with a prima-donna who constantly thinks he's bigger than the club, seeking to leave or manipulate the club into a better contract. I don't care what colour/style his hair is, what car he drives or how he embraces celebrity culture - that's all irrelevant when you put in the performances on the pitch week in and week out. United have had their fair share of these players over the years, they are more than welcomed and adored at the club. He doesn't, or at least he hasn't been able to do that for United. Putting in solid performances is not dependant on how great the rest of the team is, Bruno being a case in point - he's stood out regardless of what team he's been asked to play in since he joined. I'd have replaced him with a talented, young, eager and more team-orientated midfielder by now, but we will not get a realistic fee for him now so it's already too late. Truly great players do not represent a rubik's cube of a problem to figure out, ''unlock'' and get the best out of them in my view - particularly if you're not a forward/winger. I’ve said very similar before, in a nutshell, he just couldn’t give a shit. I’d love to know what his senior team mates think of him, honestly. I would bet my house on it that it’s not great. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 4, 2021 7:18:01 GMT
Nah, no racism involved in our views. Just what we've all witnessed with our own eyes. To be clear, I wasn’t calling any of you racist. What exactly are you trying to prove here? That Pogba is an easy target? That his ‘stellar’ contributions are being somehow downplayed but a group of supporters that don’t appreciate him? That he’s just as important as Bruno? That his winning a couple of trophies 4 years ago has some sort of relevance to this conversation? Even if any of this was true, why would you bother defending a player who is clearly leaving at the end of the season? And spare us the Souness comments. You’ll get a nosebleed spending so long up on that high horse. |
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Post by weebay on Nov 4, 2021 7:32:31 GMT
To be clear, I wasn’t calling any of you racist. What exactly are you trying to prove here? That Pogba is an easy target? That his ‘stellar’ contributions are being somehow downplayed but a group of supporters that don’t appreciate him? That he’s just as important as Bruno? That his winning a couple of trophies 4 years ago has some sort of relevance to this conversation? Even if any of this was true, why would you bother defending a player who is clearly leaving at the end of the season? And spare us the Souness comments. You’ll get a nosebleed spending so long up on that high horse. He’s not a shit player, as many on here have called him. This poorly run club shares at least equal blame in how things have gone with him. Look at the midfield we have “built” since he came to the club. And yes, his CV and track record of winning everywhere else is relevant to all of these points. I’m defending him because I like him. Many of the criticisms on here have been raised by Souness, sorry if that’s annoying. Bruno was raised by someone else, and I responded. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 4, 2021 8:07:05 GMT
What exactly are you trying to prove here? That Pogba is an easy target? That his ‘stellar’ contributions are being somehow downplayed but a group of supporters that don’t appreciate him? That he’s just as important as Bruno? That his winning a couple of trophies 4 years ago has some sort of relevance to this conversation? Even if any of this was true, why would you bother defending a player who is clearly leaving at the end of the season? And spare us the Souness comments. You’ll get a nosebleed spending so long up on that high horse. He’s not a shit player, as many on here have called him. This poorly run club shares at least equal blame in how things have gone with him. Look at the midfield we have “built” since he came to the club. And yes, his CV and track record of winning everywhere else is relevant to all of these points. I’m defending him because I like him. Many of the criticisms on here have been raised by Souness, sorry if that’s annoying. Bruno was raised by someone else, and I responded. I quite like Pogba and find it absurd that anyone would consider him shit. He’s maddeningly inconsistent however, capable of periods of brilliance and then disappears for games on end. Whatever about Bruno’s work rate and defensive duties, there’s no comparison in terms of importance to the side. And if even one or two others had stepped up to his level of contributions over the last 2 years, Utd won have won 2 Europas and one more cup. It’s not a one man game, despite Bruno doing his best to convince us otherwise. Pogba has been a decent player for us. Bruno has been several levels above. |
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Post by safariRed on Nov 4, 2021 10:44:56 GMT
The sooner Ole is sacked the better. Pogba being lazy or whatever is the least of our concerns.
Maguire still starts games for us.
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