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Post by redcase on Jan 17, 2022 8:24:11 GMT
I absolutely HATE to sound like a broken record but NOTHING WILL CHANGE until our esteemed owners decide to sell the club. Fergie saw what was going to happen in the long term ,but despite this ,he stayed on ,retaining an iron grip on the entire club, no one-whoever they were-could do the same nowadays. Now that he’s gone ,at least in an organisational capacity, the parasites have had free reign, although this will definitely bite them on the arse given time. I’ve said it before, so apologies , but I despise what our club has become-especially when I think back to being a kid ,with 4 pints lined up in the Roaring Winds-after a win,and school in the morning! With all respect to Fergie, he allowed this to happen too. He was the one man with the clout to really take them on and bottled it. The endless "They are great owners, they back me whenever I ask for it, there's no value in the market" bullshit just helped in the early years of their ownership. When world class players were signing for City and Chelsea and we were buying up Diouf and Owen and Obertan and Bebe, why the fuck didn't he come out then and tell it like it was. "I'd love to have signed Aguero, Toure, Essien etc but the owners refuse to pay that money, I'm forced to shop in poundland whilst our rivals are living it up in Harrods." It's why he left, I have no doubt of that. I just wish he didn't get sign on with them and rather said it like it was after he retired. That's the part that makes me utterly sad. He's now a part of them. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jan 17, 2022 10:01:12 GMT
With all respect to Fergie, he allowed this to happen too. He was the one man with the clout to really take them on and bottled it. The endless "They are great owners, they back me whenever I ask for it, there's no value in the market" bullshit just helped in the early years of their ownership. When world class players were signing for City and Chelsea and we were buying up Diouf and Owen and Obertan and Bebe, why the fuck didn't he come out then and tell it like it was. "I'd love to have signed Aguero, Toure, Essien etc but the owners refuse to pay that money, I'm forced to shop in poundland whilst our rivals are living it up in Harrods." It's why he left, I have no doubt of that. I just wish he didn't get sign on with them and rather said it like it was after he retired. That's the part that makes me utterly sad. He's now a part of them. He was in his 70s, his time had come in my opinion. |
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Post by Kojak on Jan 17, 2022 10:15:54 GMT
It matters when you’re claiming we were cruising when in actual fact we scored two lucky goals. We were ok for half an hour. They dominated the second half. We simply were not in control of the contest. It’s not all the manager’s fault obviously, we know that. These players are feeble of mind, body and spirit. But it’s his fault he fielded that midfield and left pensioner Matic ambling around on a booking for the duration. It’s his fault he didn’t make changes to affect the way the game had turned. It’s probably a combination of his fault and Dalot being shite that they were in on goal every time they attacked down their left. He acknowledged previously we controlled a game and saw it out after bringing on Donny and going to a diamond. A game against the same opposition. So if he’s seen the blueprint himself, to the point where he’s told us about it after the game, why has he not gone back to it? At the end of the day, if Ole was getting blamed for tactical and personnel mistakes then Ralf should be too. He’s making the same mistakes and we’re playing just as shit as we were before. Fair points in there. Also what's the point of Ralf making us play differently only for it to change in the next few months with a new manager? I've not seen a manager change a teams style of play in 6 months. Would’ve thought the point might be to win games. The likes of Conte and Turtle went in and changed the respective club’s style of play in about six days. |
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Post by safariRed on Jan 17, 2022 11:06:51 GMT
It's why he left, I have no doubt of that. I just wish he didn't get sign on with them and rather said it like it was after he retired. That's the part that makes me utterly sad. He's now a part of them. He was in his 70s, his time had come in my opinion. he couldve pushed for 3 or 4 more years to at least phase out the old guard and bring in some fresh blood. Had RVP not fired us to the title that season he would have stayed for at least another year or 2. |
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Post by safariRed on Jan 17, 2022 11:13:23 GMT
Fair points in there. Also what's the point of Ralf making us play differently only for it to change in the next few months with a new manager? I've not seen a manager change a teams style of play in 6 months. Would’ve thought the point might be to win games. The likes of Conte and Turtle went in and changed the respective club’s style of play in about six days. Haha turtle! Its the players then? if it only took Tuchel and Conte that long to get their message across. If the players want to play for you they will and for some reason our players couldn't be bothered who's in charge. I don't even believe anymore that a world class manager can do anything tangible with this lot. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jan 17, 2022 11:36:47 GMT
Would’ve thought the point might be to win games. The likes of Conte and Turtle went in and changed the respective club’s style of play in about six days. Haha turtle! Its the players then? if it only took Tuchel and Conte that long to get their message across. If the players want to play for you they will and for some reason our players couldn't be bothered who's in charge. I don't even believe anymore that a world class manager can do anything tangible with this lot. A world class permanent manager could with some of them,the majority are just not up to the standard required. The lack of forward planning meant we are on what,is it our third interim manager post SAF,none of the other top clubs recruit consistently in this manner. OGS often spoke about the rebuild,he left a bigger mess than the one he inherited,this coming summer will require the biggest ever one window rebuild by a premier league club & will go down as one of the most chaotic & turbulent in the clubs history. Until the Glazers leave were fucked & whilst there are willing customer to fund it,the Glazers will just keep on taking & taking! |
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Post by king nothing on Jan 17, 2022 13:06:10 GMT
He was in his 70s, his time had come in my opinion. he couldve pushed for 3 or 4 more years to at least phase out the old guard and bring in some fresh blood. Had RVP not fired us to the title that season he would have stayed for at least another year or 2. You can't really say that unless you know him personally. Who knows how his health was out of his inner circle. Running the biggest club in the world for nearly three decades. That is some feat. Especially considering the pressure he must have been under. No, I'm glad he called it a day. I was blessed to have grown up with him in charge, so I can't grumble. |
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Post by seanie on Jan 17, 2022 14:02:30 GMT
Fair points in there. Also what's the point of Ralf making us play differently only for it to change in the next few months with a new manager? I've not seen a manager change a teams style of play in 6 months. Would’ve thought the point might be to win games. The likes of Conte and Turtle went in and changed the respective club’s style of play in about six days. Didn't Conte come in late first time round into Chelsea and completely turn it around to win the league? He may have started early and changed the system very quickly. I can't remember which, either way he seems to be able to change it quickly and get results quickly. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jan 17, 2022 14:59:55 GMT
He was in his 70s, his time had come in my opinion. he couldve pushed for 3 or 4 more years to at least phase out the old guard and bring in some fresh blood. Had RVP not fired us to the title that season he would have stayed for at least another year or 2. He gave us enough of his life mate. 30 years of glory is hard to critique. It's not his fault others have fucked the club up. |
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Post by Kojak on Jan 17, 2022 17:21:24 GMT
Would’ve thought the point might be to win games. The likes of Conte and Turtle went in and changed the respective club’s style of play in about six days. Didn't Conte come in late first time round into Chelsea and completely turn it around to win the league? He may have started early and changed the system very quickly. I can't remember which, either way he seems to be able to change it quickly and get results quickly. From memory, Chelsea was weird for Conte as the start was poor. I think they got battered by Arsenal early on, then he went to 3 at the back and they won the league. |
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Post by weebay on Jan 17, 2022 18:41:51 GMT
Which manager is Luckhurst talking about - Ole? He deserved it. Personally think there is distorted truth from both Rangnick and Marital. Don't trust either. Ralf has apparently walked back his statement |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Jan 17, 2022 20:22:15 GMT
Which manager is Luckhurst talking about - Ole? He deserved it. Personally think there is distorted truth from both Rangnick and Marital. Don't trust either. Ralf has apparently walked back his statement Don’t think he has, willing to allow him back in the fold is all |
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Post by dazjoe on Jan 17, 2022 20:37:42 GMT
Managers can change things from day 1. It doesn't always happen but equally it doesn't always take 6 months or more to implement a style and see changes.
When Poch went to Southampton they went from run of the mill stragglers to playing exciting, adventurous football overnight. And they shot up the table as a result. He didn't need half the season to get his changes to work.
Anyone old enough to remember when Bobby Robson went to Newcastle; they were bottom of the league and an absolute mess under Gullit, the instant he walked through the door there was a massive change and improvement.
These weren't just new manager bounces either as both clubs stayed improved under them long after any new manager buzz had worn off.
Something is wrong with the world if a top manager can't get a tune out of De Gea, Varane, Bruno, Pogba, Greenwood, Rashford, Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho, Donny. Not saying the team or squad is perfect but there is very clear talent sitting there.
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Post by Karma on Jan 17, 2022 20:41:36 GMT
With all respect to Fergie, he allowed this to happen too. He was the one man with the clout to really take them on and bottled it. The endless "They are great owners, they back me whenever I ask for it, there's no value in the market" bullshit just helped in the early years of their ownership. When world class players were signing for City and Chelsea and we were buying up Diouf and Owen and Obertan and Bebe, why the fuck didn't he come out then and tell it like it was. "I'd love to have signed Aguero, Toure, Essien etc but the owners refuse to pay that money, I'm forced to shop in poundland whilst our rivals are living it up in Harrods." It's why he left, I have no doubt of that. I just wish he didn't get sign on with them and rather said it like it was after he retired. That's the part that makes me utterly sad. He's now a part of them. Clearly likes the money too much. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Jan 17, 2022 21:56:06 GMT
he couldve pushed for 3 or 4 more years to at least phase out the old guard and bring in some fresh blood. Had RVP not fired us to the title that season he would have stayed for at least another year or 2. He gave us enough of his life mate. 30 years of glory is hard to critique. It's not his fault others have fucked the club up. This a thousand times over. I'm not keen on his relationship with the hierarchy but if anyone's got enough credit in the bank, it's him. |
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