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Post by safariRed on Jul 5, 2024 9:52:24 GMT
Transfer veto is fairly meaningless. All the other managers had it. And all you need to do is say to the manager "It is this player or nothing" and they fall into line. And Erik is smart enough to figure out that regardless of what his contract says the change in the structure of the club is going to mean his role in recruitment is going to be diminished. this is whats been wrong with the club over the years. Weghorst or nothing, Amrabat or nothing, Sabitzer or nothing.
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Post by viking22 on Jul 5, 2024 10:47:38 GMT
The difference under INEOS is that we have a proper recruitment structure and an engaged owner.
Therefore we are going to budget a lot better so we aren't going to end up running out of money and then having to go for cheap last minute loan deals.
And we've seen it already this window. We walked away from the Branthwaite deal and are going for De Ligt who will cost half as much. We dropped our initial interest in Toney and are going for Zirzkee who has a release clause so only issues are agent commissions and salary but the total cost of the deal will still be well within our budget.
The issue isn't the manager getting a veto. The issue is that in previous windows we'd buy whoever the manager wanted regardless of price and without anyone competent to vet the deals. With a proper recruitment structure that won't happen. Obviously the manager will be involved determining which positions need strengthening and expressing preferences over the shortlist of targets drawn up for each position. But if the numbers do not work or the manager is advocating for someone that the scouting team and the recruitment hierarchy do not rate those deals won't happen.
For example under the new structure there is no way we would have signed Antony for £85m or Casemiro for £60m. And we'd have probably considered a wider range of potential GK targets and I don't think we'd have bought Mount for £55m with only a year left on his contract.
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Post by anti_social on Sept 6, 2024 13:31:10 GMT
This is quite an interesting, and fairly balanced, thread looking into Erik’s “tactics”
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Post by viking22 on Sept 6, 2024 14:42:50 GMT
www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-mistakes-tactical-analysis-cg82x3lvz Here is the article referenced in the tweets. And agree it makes fantastic reading and indicates a deeper seated problem that Erik has failed to adapt to the Premier League and step up to the higher level. But at the moment it is "high risk and little reward". Last season we conceded 58 goals and only scored 57 goals in the Premier League. The so called "lower risk" teams such as Manchester City and Arsenal not only concede far fewer goals they also score far more. And clearly this season we do not have an attack on the same level as Liverpool's famous trio of Salah, Firminho, and Mane and we are many years away from having anything close to that as Amad and Hojlund and Garnacho are still developing while Rashford is regressing! Anyway INEOS will not put up with it for much longer. Erik is getting a bit of a pass because he is integrating 5 new signings and we've had a few inconvenient injuries to start the season such as Hojlund, Shaw and Mount. But the clock is ticking and INEOS will be wanting us to control games better and won't put up for chaotic tactics and going toe to toe with relegation fodder every week. Also see below from the article which sums it all up nicely: "Ten Hag may point to individual errors costing United, but they are not mutually exclusive to his tactics, rather, they are a product of them. Ten Hag wants his team to play a high-risk system, but it looks like the rewards really aren’t worth it"
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Post by redcase on Sept 6, 2024 16:20:00 GMT
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Post by Chris on Sept 6, 2024 17:21:47 GMT
Doubt anyone thought it would be like this.
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Post by Stretty on Sept 6, 2024 17:52:00 GMT
Doubt anyone thought it would be like this. I was on board with ETH being appointed because I thought we were ahead of the curve for once. it doesn’t look like it’s going to work out here but that happens at clubs all the time(sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn’t). Thats football
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Post by Stew on Sept 6, 2024 19:57:08 GMT
Doubt anyone thought it would be like this. Exactly.
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