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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 27, 2024 13:24:35 GMT
Curious, more-so than anything else.
I'd keep him until Jan, with a proper structure and environment focused on football excellence + recruitment.
If we're still gash, and there is no nuclear injury list to rely on, then sack him by all means.
At that point, at least all the rest of the new structure will have cohesively moved in a common direction - the new manager will walk into a club that will tell him how it wants him to play etc.
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Post by ratbag on May 27, 2024 15:17:18 GMT
Pretty much as you said…
Keep him until January with a (hopefully) upgraded and fit squad…
If he doesn’t cut it then say goodbye…
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Post by ratbag on May 27, 2024 15:30:42 GMT
Btw I still expect him to be sacked and unless it’s Southgate I will support whoever the next manager is…
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Post by Karma on May 27, 2024 16:29:24 GMT
No with caveats. Upgrades only.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 27, 2024 16:34:22 GMT
Yes of course, I like that we are winning trophies again
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Post by Stretty on May 27, 2024 16:37:32 GMT
A no from me for all the reasons we’ve all discussed to death.
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Post by alwaysUnited on May 27, 2024 16:58:33 GMT
Hmm tough choice , 2 trophies in 2 years with the current state of our club is job well done.
But I would still want someone like Conte (which iam well aware is not a popular opinion).
(I will take ETH over the likes of Poch, Thomas Frank , McKenna or god forbid Southgate)
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Post by viking22 on May 27, 2024 19:41:42 GMT
I'd give him 1 more season. Let's see what he can do under the new structure and with a lot more help with summer recruitment.
Sacking him mid-season isn't the answer. By then Conte, Tuchel and Pochettino will have probably found new jobs and with no experienced candidates available Brailsford and Ashworth will get their own way and appoint Southgate. And it isn't fair either on Erik or the manager replacing him. If you don't have enough faith in Erik to give him one more season then go with Conte, Tuchel or Pochettino.
Make his target top 4 and a trophy. He has already told us he can get us back into top 4 if he has better luck with injuries and he has 3 trophies that are winnable as he's won two of them already and the 3rd is a second tier competition in which we will be one of the favourites.
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Post by Stretty on May 27, 2024 20:07:16 GMT
I'd give him 1 more season. Let's see what he can do under the new structure and with a lot more help with summer recruitment. Sacking him mid-season isn't the answer. By then Conte, Tuchel and Pochettino will have probably found new jobs and with no experienced candidates available Brailsford and Ashworth will get their own way and appoint Southgate. And it isn't fair either on Erik or the manager replacing him. If you don't have enough faith in Erik to give him one more season then go with Conte, Tuchel or Pochettino. Make his target top 4 and a trophy. He has already told us he can get us back into top 4 if he has better luck with injuries and he has 3 trophies that are winnable as he's won two of them already and the 3rd is a second tier competition in which we will be one of the favourites. He wouldn’t last 5 minutes here(this club would eat him alive). He’s in his comfort zone and I can’t see him wanting the pressure and expectations of any top half pl club.
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Post by Stretty on May 27, 2024 20:08:49 GMT
If we do give him one more season and it all goes tits up by November what do we do then?
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Post by mightyez on May 27, 2024 20:19:09 GMT
If we do give him one more season and it all goes tits up by November what do we do then? This is what i don't think people are thinking through. We aren't some relegation fodder whereby if it's going wrong we get in some saviour at a point in the season to ensure we stay up. Whomever ever is the manager it's gotta be on from the jump off, can't be giving people months to swim or sink, we have to ensure we have the right person to ensure that everyone is swimming and in the right direction. Also depending on the managerial situation. what's the guarantee you get your number one target? INEOS know they are in the 'no room for error' stage and I think as fans we gotta realise that too. City will do their thing, the gooners seem to be going from strength to strength. If Levy dips his hands in the kitty his team will be stronger, can chelsea be any worst? Villa will likely back Emery with a stronger squad. Dunno how things will turn out with the scouse. Long and short we don't have months to see how things go.
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Post by DedRevil on May 27, 2024 20:23:42 GMT
Are we buying players in the summer for Erik, or the next manager...what if that fabled next manager isn't available? Ineos need to do one or the other, and fast
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Post by mightyez on May 27, 2024 20:26:25 GMT
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced the man INEOS really want is Southgate but fortunately for us he is all in with England right now therefore INEOS might conclude that they can't afford to be waiting until after the Euro's to get to work on the team. They have to act now and fast especially in the market.
I don't kn ow what they see the Southgate but....
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Post by mightyez on May 27, 2024 20:28:07 GMT
Are we buying players in the summer for Erik, or the next manager...what if that fabled next manager isn't available? Ineos need to do one or the other, and fast I think the message for any manager going forward is that, the club will tell them how they want their football and will by for the club and not a manager. Clearly if a manager is winning galore and they want one particular player, you'd indulge them but in general the days of 'go get me this one and that' is likely over
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Post by DedRevil on May 27, 2024 20:34:16 GMT
Are we buying players in the summer for Erik, or the next manager...what if that fabled next manager isn't available? Ineos need to do one or the other, and fast I think the message for any manager going forward is that, the club will tell them how they want their football and will by for the club and not a manager. Clearly if a manager is winning galore and they want one particular player, you'd indulge them but in general the days of 'go get me this one and that' is likely over I know mate, I don't think Erik will submit to that though, and the clamour from the fanbase to keep him because we won the cup will overcloud that and we'll write off another season
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