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Post by rotherhammark on May 15, 2006 20:59:45 GMT
i agree that keano is one of the best midfielders ever to play the game but theres no hiding from the fact that he was struggling and the team were carrying him too much. and i dont think weve done too shoddyly without him to be honest.
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Post by dibley on May 15, 2006 22:57:53 GMT
I think nackered 34 yr old in referring to Roy Keane is not the way i would descibe the best fucking midfield player weve ever or anybodyelse has had ,the fall out with SAF left us with a shat central midfield i would rather have an old Keano in the team than some of the others that have played there this season... Correcto mundo Mat! Some of Fergies decisions over the last 3 or 4 seasons have made us look a laughing stock, and all just so he could take out his petty squabbles with players. "Its impossible to replace Roy Keane" he kept telling us, whilst squandering millions in trying to do exactly that! and Keano still seen them all off  "Keane had a dodgy hip, we was carrying him and the rest of the team was suffering...blah!.blah!.blah!!" Failing to recognise the reason he was being played was that we had no cunt else better, and we'd had plenty of opportunity and time to have done something about it, but instead done fook all but let the situation gradually worsen. That, in itself is bad management. His acrimonious departure, at a point in the season where we was stirring champions league exit embarrassment down the barrel,and piss poor league form was absolutely rediculous. You can stay at a club too long, manager, player, whatever? I can't possibly see how his tyranical assassinatory management style can possibly get us passed the likes of the Renty's, or may be even the Dippers next season?  And i still fail to see why he brought in Vidic and Evra, whom we really did'nt need. Yet again! the mind did truly boggle? |
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Post by rotherhammark on May 16, 2006 18:06:28 GMT
Correcto mundo Mat! Some of Fergies decisions over the last 3 or 4 seasons have made us look a laughing stock, and all just so he could take out his petty squabbles with players. "Its impossible to replace Roy Keane" he kept telling us, whilst squandering millions in trying to do exactly that! and Keano still seen them all off "Keane had a dodgy hip, we was carrying him and the rest of the team was suffering...blah!.blah!.blah!!" Failing to recognise the reason he was being played was that we had no cunt else better, and we'd had plenty of opportunity and time to have done something about it, but instead done fook all but let the situation gradually worsen. That, in itself is bad management. His acrimonious departure, at a point in the season where we was stirring champions league exit embarrassment down the barrel,and piss poor league form was absolutely rediculous. You can stay at a club too long, manager, player, whatever? I can't possibly see how his tyranical assassinatory management style can possibly get us passed the likes of the Renty's, or may be even the Dippers next season? And i still fail to see why he brought in Vidic and Evra, whom we really did'nt need. Yet again! the mind did truly boggle? im fucking glad your not our manager, when would have been the time to get rid of keane? when he was limping round the pitch on a zimmer frame? when he got so fucked off that he took his frustrations out on one of his team mates by twatting them in the middle of a game? when he had so totally destroyed team morale that we wouldnt stand a cat in hells chance of challenging for anything? roy keane was 34 injured, struggling with injury, coming to the end of his contract and was publicly slagging off his team mates, fergie was bang on to get rid, keano wasnt going to see off any more replacements, its worth noting that since hes gone we have been playing better football cos the players around him were carrying him, now they aint. you dont like fergies "tyranical" brand of management, yeh your probably right lets fucking sack the greatest manager the british game has ever seen and give the job to an out and out tactition like quieroz or erikson, our football will be boring, our team will lack passion, our players will be fucked off and will leave and the club will go in to terminal decline. yes great idea lets get rid of fergie....YOU TOTAL UTTER WANKER! |
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Post by dibley on May 16, 2006 18:29:30 GMT
Get yer facts right glory hunter, he was our captain and doing us all a service by saying what he said and bringing to light the serious mismanagement issues that were patently obvious at the club. It might be "big red" statements like ............."great idea, lets sack the greatest manager..blah! blah!" that gives you a bit of self emoted kudos, but what does a big red like you suggest we do if he was to walk away tomorrow or get jibbed even? Agree to let the club fold? Knock it all down and build an Asda there? Go and watch F.C. instead? After you've eventually sprouted pubes around your cock 'n' balls, he will have gone and we'll have to start all over again. Who knows by then? he may have sacked our best crosser and freekick taker, our best defender, our captain and best ever midfielder, and our record breaking goalscorer............again? Its the Cloughie thing all over again, but mega store muppets like you won't remember that.  |
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Post by rotherhammark on May 16, 2006 19:04:42 GMT
bit of news for ya, it aint the fucking captains job to slag off his team mates the only man who is allowed to do that is the manager. also worth noting that he never had a go at the way the club was being run and has gone on record saying that the club couldnt be in safer hands. yes i know that fergie will go one day, and when that day comes the right man will need to be installed, the right man aint quite ready yet, he's still honing his talents at ewood park. to compare fergie to clough is laughable, forest didnt improve in cloughies penultimate season, united have improved this season and everything looks good for the future. PLAYERS LEAVE CLUBS its a fucking fact, and they ALL get replaced, keano will get replaced. oh and just for the record u call me a glory hunter and my age, i couldnt hardly have been born any sooner you know, and to start calling someone a glory hunter just smacks of juvenility, especially when you know fuck all about me. at the end of the day i at least understand the game and the fact that clubs have to move on, sadly for people like you i think thats a fact you will never ever comprehend.
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Post by Busby Boy on May 16, 2006 19:05:27 GMT
Fergie was right on all 3 occasions, no player is bigger than United and he has to make that clear to people who come to the club, that's why I'm glad we never signed Robben, Essien or Ballack. They all think they are the dog's nuts.
Maybe the loss of Beckham, Keane and Stam hurt us on the field. Look at it this way though, he replaced Stam with the best defender in Europe, Rio Ferdinand. And replaced Beckham with Cristiano Ronaldo, who is one of the best youngsters on the planet and will become a world-beater.
Now, all that's left is for Fergie to replace Keano. Although, I think letting Keano go was right for the club and came at the right time although it was an unfortunate end to such a phenomenal career.
I just hope Ruud stays though, there is no replacement for him and we need him to launch an assault on the major honours next season.
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Post by matkaman on May 16, 2006 20:15:57 GMT
How was he right when we have won fuck all after those players were let go?Rio has never replaced Stam,Ronaldo good in his own unique modern footballer kind of way cannot cross the ball like Becks and we are still waiting for the new Keano.SAF great man that he is doesnt get it right all the time.Reagardless i will support the team,manager whatever decisions are made wether i agree with them or not,its all about Man Utd ,im sure the season to come we will be breathing down Chelski necks and SAF WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH..
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Post by Busby Boy on May 17, 2006 17:01:40 GMT
So you're saying if we had Stam we would of won the league this season?...
I understand, Beckham would of brought more goals to the club, but I still think Fergie replacing him with Ronaldo was a good decision. If, Fergie left it for one more year he would of been snapped up by Real Madrid, Barcelona or Chelsea.
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Post by rotherhammark on May 17, 2006 17:47:29 GMT
So you're saying if we had Stam we would of won the league this season?... I understand, Beckham would of brought more goals to the club, but I still think Fergie replacing him with Ronaldo was a good decision. If, Fergie left it for one more year he would of been snapped up by Real Madrid, Barcelona or Chelsea. couldnt have put it better myself, besides lets not forget the fact beckham had gotten lazy and stam had slaughtered the club, manager and his team mates which is out of line. |
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Post by Busby Boy on May 17, 2006 17:55:55 GMT
So you're saying if we had Stam we would of won the league this season?... I understand, Beckham would of brought more goals to the club, but I still think Fergie replacing him with Ronaldo was a good decision. If, Fergie left it for one more year he would of been snapped up by Real Madrid, Barcelona or Chelsea. couldnt have put it better myself, besides lets not forget the fact beckham had gotten lazy and stam had slaughtered the club, manager and his team mates which is out of line. People also forget Stam's replacement Ferdinand won the title in his first season. And, if he never got that 8 month ban we would of won another with him in the side. I wish Beckham was still at United but if that meant not finding Ronaldo then, it's a positive which comes out of selling Beckham. |
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Post by matkaman on May 17, 2006 18:08:18 GMT
Not at all,just if you saw Stam play he was a true Utd player i dont think we would of won the league with him didnt win the league this season with Rio either! uote author=mufcadz board=generalunited thread=1147612812 post=1147888555] couldnt have put it better myself, besides lets not forget the fact beckham had gotten lazy and stam had slaughtered the club, manager and his team mates which is out of line. People also forget Stam's replacement Ferdinand won the title in his first season. And, if he never got that 8 month ban we would of won another with him in the side. I wish Beckham was still at United but if that meant not finding Ronaldo then, it's a positive which comes out of selling Beckham.[/quote] |
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Post by Busby Boy on May 17, 2006 18:15:51 GMT
Ferdinand is better than Stam. People just dislike the person and don't concentrate on the player. As a player he is the best central defender in the world.
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Post by dibley on May 17, 2006 21:25:37 GMT
Ferdinand is better than Stam. People just dislike the person and don't concentrate on the player. As a player he is the best central defender in the world. What a load 'o' fuckin shite. For a start, Fergie replaced Stamm with Lauren "show us your pace" Blanc........  And if Wobbly gob was half as commited, scored half as many goals, and showed half as much leadership as John Terry, then! and only then would he look anything like world class. We was done over like a kipper paying £30 million for that galoot. "Its not the captains job to slag off the players, its the managers...boo! fuckin hoo!" The reason Keano did what he did is because there was no fooker else doing it, and even if they was, no cunt was listening anymore. "I'm really glad we did'nt get Essien, Robben, Ballack, sob! sob!, whinge whinge!" Yeh! just think, that would mean the likes of Fletcher, Richardson and O'Shea would'nt get regular games, and we would'nt want that would we  , after all, they are class and its no wonder the likes of Barca and Milan are constantly trying to sing them........................."NOT!!" Get a life you daft cunts and wake up. This clubs not been so fucked up in probably 10 years, and it could and probably will take that, and a new manager, to sort all the shite out. People harp on about ............"one or two midfielders next season and we'll piss it!" Well what about replacements for Giggs, 32, Scholes 32, Gary Neville 32, Van der Sar 73, and we've just off loaded our 2nd keeper to Everton and sacked our best striker  Lets face it, winning the league ain't going to happen unless the Chelsea team all drop dead, and europe is further away than ever. Dread to think how much longer Rooney might want to hang around if all the shite and back bighting inside the club continues, because he's the only one that would generate any income. Ronaldo is clearly not a team player, and that in itself has cost Ruud his place at the club, and who would be daft enough to pay us anything like what we paid Leeds for the gobshite |
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Post by matkaman on May 17, 2006 21:30:51 GMT
Ferdinand is better than Stam. People just dislike the person and don't concentrate on the player. As a player he is the best central defender in the world. What a load 'o' fuckin shite. For a start, Fergie replaced Stamm with Lauren "show us your pace" Blanc........ And if Wobbly gob was half as commited, scored half as many goals, and showed half as much leadership as John Terry, then! and only then would he look anything like world class. We was done over like a kipper paying £30 million for that galoot. "Its not the captains job to slag off the players, its the managers...boo! fuckin hoo!" The reason Keano did what he did is because there was no fooker else doing it, and even if they was, no cunt was listening anymore. "I'm really glad we did'nt get Essien, Robben, Ballack, sob! sob!, whinge whinge!" Yeh! just think, that would mean the likes of Fletcher, Richardson and O'Shea would'nt get regular games, and we would'nt want that would we , after all, they are class and its no wonder the likes of Barca and Milan are constantly trying to sing them........................."NOT!!" Get a life you daft cunts and wake up. This clubs not been so fucked up in probably 10 years, and it could and probably will take that, and a new manager, to sort all the shite out. People harp on about ............"one or two midfielders next season and we'll piss it!" Well what about replacements for Giggs, 32, Scholes 32, Gary Neville 32, Van der Sar 73, and we've just off loaded our 2nd keeper to Everton and sacked our best striker Lets face it, winning the league ain't going to happen unless the Chelsea team all drop dead, and europe is further away than ever. Dread to think how much longer Rooney might want to hang around if all the shite and back bighting inside the club continues, because he's the only one that would generate any income. Ronaldo is clearly not a team player, and that in itself has cost Ruud his place at the club, and who would be daft enough to pay us anything like what we paid Leeds for the gobshite Agree totally mate ... |
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Post by Busby Boy on May 17, 2006 21:38:28 GMT
Ferdinand is better than Stam. People just dislike the person and don't concentrate on the player. As a player he is the best central defender in the world. What a load 'o' fuckin shite. For a start, Fergie replaced Stamm with Lauren "show us your pace" Blanc........ And if Wobbly gob was half as commited, scored half as many goals, and showed half as much leadership as John Terry, then! and only then would he look anything like world class. We was done over like a kipper paying £30 million for that galoot. "Its not the captains job to slag off the players, its the managers...boo! fuckin hoo!" The reason Keano did what he did is because there was no fooker else doing it, and even if they was, no cunt was listening anymore. "I'm really glad we did'nt get Essien, Robben, Ballack, sob! sob!, whinge whinge!" Yeh! just think, that would mean the likes of Fletcher, Richardson and O'Shea would'nt get regular games, and we would'nt want that would we , after all, they are class and its no wonder the likes of Barca and Milan are constantly trying to sing them........................."NOT!!" Get a life you daft cunts and wake up. This clubs not been so fucked up in probably 10 years, and it could and probably will take that, and a new manager, to sort all the shite out. People harp on about ............"one or two midfielders next season and we'll piss it!" Well what about replacements for Giggs, 32, Scholes 32, Gary Neville 32, Van der Sar 73, and we've just off loaded our 2nd keeper to Everton and sacked our best striker Lets face it, winning the league ain't going to happen unless the Chelsea team all drop dead, and europe is further away than ever. Dread to think how much longer Rooney might want to hang around if all the shite and back bighting inside the club continues, because he's the only one that would generate any income. Ronaldo is clearly not a team player, and that in itself has cost Ruud his place at the club, and who would be daft enough to pay us anything like what we paid Leeds for the gobshite And the fact Stam failed a drug test a month or so after Fergie got rid doesn't matter to you? And, don't come with that bollocks about John Terry, Wes Brown is as good as he, Rio Ferdinand makes him look shite!...We'll see in the World Cup when John Terry is made to look a mug. The mere facts he bounced off Ronaldinho in the Champions League and makes more saves then Petr Cech prove he's not as good as people make out. OK, he scores more goals than Rio but does that make him better? OF COURSE NOT!...If Rio played for Chelsea, you and the media would be saying his the best defender on the planet. Then, you say we should of signed Ballack! OK, why the fuck are you criticising Rio when that German-prick is probably getting double of what Rio gets. The fact Rio is a United player the media made up all sorts of numbers and made it sound as if Rio was demanding diabolical wages, but when Chelsea gave Ballack, a contract worth £26m over 4 years it doesn't matter? RIO FERDINAND IS THE BEST CENTRAL DEFENDER ON THE PLANET...WITHOUT HIM UNITED LOOK WEAK AT THE BACK! United have forever developed youngsters and will continue to do so. If you want to see a club buy the title every fucking season buy a Chelsea seat, it will come far easier than getting a seat at OT. Fergie needed to let Stam and Keano go. Stam made the club look a fuck-up and Keano was out of order with his comments, although they were correct that is not the way to express them. And, anyway he would of left, the guy's 34 for fuck sake.! Fergie has made United a success in the past, and he has got my support and belief he will do it again next season, I suggest fans like you fuck off down to Stamford Bridge. PRICK TITS! |
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