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Post by Rob on Jul 10, 2010 16:06:37 GMT
Oh and I think we could get more for him and he is still top 4 quality so this rumour is all a no go for me. He may have wanted to leave Its a question of winning mentality. Carrick, for a few years now has been a part of history and I cannot, for the life of me, see him moving to a club where the chances of winning something are slim. Add to this, the fact that he has tasted Champions League/World Club Championship glory, he wants to play even more before he retires. For him to abandon all that just to play for a mid-table team is ridiculous at best.
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Post by mackem on Jul 10, 2010 16:10:38 GMT
He may have wanted to leave Its a question of winning mentality. Carrick, for a few years now has been a part of history and I cannot, for the life of me, see him moving to a club where the chances of winning something are slim. Add to this, the fact that he has tasted Champions League/World Club Championship glory, he wants to play even more before he retires. For him to abandon all that just to play for a mid-table team is ridiculous at best. I can understand your point but it may be personal problems. There lass wants to move back home. It'll all come out eventually
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Post by chrispiano on Jul 10, 2010 16:12:13 GMT
I doubt he would want to go to a relegation candidate team.
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Post by mackem on Jul 10, 2010 16:12:54 GMT
I doubt he would want to go to a relegation candidate team. ;D was waiting for that one
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Post by Rob on Jul 10, 2010 16:27:52 GMT
I doubt he would want to go to a relegation candidate team. That is why he joined us, and not the likes of Liverpool...#thumb#
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Post by irishredmufc on Jul 10, 2010 16:38:38 GMT
Sunderland are hardly a relegation candidate in fairners. Why would Fergie want to sell carrick? Yes we are stuck for monday, but were also stuck for centre midfielders. Hargreaves is crocked, ando out till late september and scholesy cant play every week.
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Post by chrispiano on Jul 10, 2010 16:39:53 GMT
They are relegation candidates though, they were down there for a while last season and if it wasn't for Bent they would be relegated. When Cattermole is injured they tended to play quite badly, and he is injured quite a lot.
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Post by irishredmufc on Jul 10, 2010 16:52:15 GMT
They had a brilliant start to last season if i remember correctly, just hit terrible form in the middle of the season. Brucey has done a great job there, for a long time they were the yo-yo club.
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Post by chrispiano on Jul 10, 2010 17:49:01 GMT
Yep good start to the season and then went on a very long run without a win and were in and about the relegation zone for quite a long time.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jul 10, 2010 18:19:55 GMT
you never see SSN at our training ground. Do you really need me to explain why we never see your training ground on SSN? Sorry... Am I right in thinking that you actually have a decent amount of money? For some reason I think you spent a fair old whack last summer as well... If only Brucie could sit him down, knock some gumption into him, and send him back. Maybe that's why he was "at Sunderland's training ground", balls training. I enjoyed that. Well done sir! Someone is actually willing to give us real money, AND we don't have to worry about seeing Carrick on the pitch? WIN, WIN!!!! Carrick had one good season (the only good season Anderson, Nani - until recently, and Tevez had) and the last two have been awful. Carrick is a pylon who contributes very little of value going forward, yet lacks the bottle to actually tackle and break up opposition attacks. (see under Olic's goal against Bayern) Fergie has clearly lost faith in him as evidenced by his lengthy spell on the bench at the end of the season. He's 29, slow and certainly not getting any better. We need young dynamic players with skill. Carrick = 0 for 3. Good bye and good riddance.
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Post by icelandicdevil on Jul 10, 2010 18:24:58 GMT
Because it depends on other factors as well? You can't just say "he's english so you pay extra for that". You have to consider form and availability when assessing a players "worth" in the market. Darren Bent had two very good seasons before his ridic transfer to spuds, and Charlton didn't want to sell. Carrick has had a nightmare season, and if we decide to sell, it will be because Fergie wants rid of him, not because we desperately need the 7 million. 17 million would be a ridiculous fee for an out of form 29 year old, who isn't exactly world class on his best days. ID, whoever said he was "World-Class?" Very few players are world class. Those who are considered world class are those who can bring something to their respective clubs and countries. As far as I am concerned, no matter how much I dislike them, the only "World Class" players at the moment are David Villa, Iniesta and Xavi, as they have proven beyond doubt that they can do it at all levels and not go missing in big matches i.e Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Lionel Messi(ok, so he had the most shots, but that is out of sheer selfishness rather than passing to a teammate.) Yes, I know you are going to support Messi all the time ID, but even without Messi, Barca would have won all those trophies anyway because of the sheer class they have. I wish you'd just once respond to the main point of a post, rather than going off on a tangent about some secondary point made. We were discussing Carrick's value, no? I wasn't implying anyone thought he was world class, I was just pointing out that even when he is at his best, he isn't all that exceptionally good, so your 17 million valuation holds no water in my opinion. I could just as well have said "who isn't exactly all that fantastic a player to begin with" or something to that effect. And yet somehow you try to start an argument about Messi when someone makes a counter-argument to your lofty valuation of Carrick, WTF?
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Post by chrispiano on Jul 10, 2010 18:28:04 GMT
He did not have one good season, he had 2 very good seasons and 1 quite good season finally followed by a poor one.
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Post by icelandicdevil on Jul 10, 2010 19:30:15 GMT
To be fair, Bruce is doing a good job at Sunderland, and they won't be battling relegation next season. However, Mr. Mackem, you have to understand that the scepticism you have faced in this thread stems from the fact that Sunderland is a huge step down from United, and Carrick would have to be pretty sure that firstly, he was way down the pecking order at United, and secondly that none of the second tier clubs are interested (Villa, Tottenham, Everton) before considering Sunderland. If this happens, I won't be too bothered, as long as we have a quality replacement lined up. I would want a bit more than 7 mill though.
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Post by Rob on Jul 10, 2010 19:44:18 GMT
ID, whoever said he was "World-Class?" Very few players are world class. Those who are considered world class are those who can bring something to their respective clubs and countries. As far as I am concerned, no matter how much I dislike them, the only "World Class" players at the moment are David Villa, Iniesta and Xavi, as they have proven beyond doubt that they can do it at all levels and not go missing in big matches i.e Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Lionel Messi(ok, so he had the most shots, but that is out of sheer selfishness rather than passing to a teammate.) Yes, I know you are going to support Messi all the time ID, but even without Messi, Barca would have won all those trophies anyway because of the sheer class they have. I wish you'd just once respond to the main point of a post, rather than going off on a tangent about some secondary point made. We were discussing Carrick's value, no? I wasn't implying anyone thought he was world class, I was just pointing out that even when he is at his best, he isn't all that exceptionally good, so your 17 million valuation holds no water in my opinion. I could just as well have said "who isn't exactly all that fantastic a player to begin with" or something to that effect. And yet somehow you try to start an argument about Messi when someone makes a counter-argument to your lofty valuation of Carrick, WTF? I made a post about Carrick and you said that I mentioned he is "world class." That is going off tangent. Then you say my estimate of £17million for Carrick "holds no water in YOUR OPINION." Which is what it is, MY OPINION, and not yours. He has won more than Darren Bent who was bought for £16million and has won nothing of note. Milner is worth £15mill and he has won nothing of note either. Just get off your high horse and get back to your rock via the Warwick Road(I forgot, you don't know the Warwick Road do you?)
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Post by ericactor1 on Jul 10, 2010 20:18:51 GMT
I can't believe were making something out of a silly rumor.
There is no possibility what so ever that Carrick would leave United.
And for a possible move to Sunderland don't make me laugh.
If he was leaving O.T it would be too another top club for a good price that's the only way in which Sir Alex would let him go.
He is a top player in which has lost his way, I'm sure Sir Alex will work closely with him and bring him back to his former self, whom may I say is a fantastic talent for United.
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