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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Sept 18, 2016 20:07:44 GMT
Joses fucked off Terry and Casillas in the past and been screwed over because of it. No wonder he is taking his time with Rooney. You think Terrys influence at chelsea is big? Its nothing compared to what wayne has at OT. I doubted you guys about Rooneys contract situation. I just couldn't let myself imagine playing could be any part of a contract. Now I really don't know because any sort of football logic is not being applied to Rooney. Lingaard was hung out to dry last week over not pressing the ball yet Rooney strolls around and nothing is said. I though he wasn't an 8 or a 6 ? I have no idea what he could be described as today other than a journeyman footballer that has nothing left at this level. Woody loves him, the commercial department love him (because he is the one all the sponsors want to have on their ads) and all the staff and his teammates love him. By all accounts behind the scenes he is very much loved and respected by all at the club. You fuck with that straight off and you might as well just not bother to unpack. Let rooney show all those, that still rate him, that he is past it. Then you can drop him easier.
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Post by Karma on Sept 18, 2016 20:15:28 GMT
Excuse me, Rooney's outlived three managers despite being shite, Moyes, Van Gaal and Hodgson. Maybe you should take your own advice and get off your high horse? If you had read any of my previous posts on here before getting your knickers knotted you'd realise I'm a Jose fan.However if he can't see what the majority can see and that's Rooney is finished and shouldn't be shoehorned into the team then he will probably meet the same fate because it's having a negative impact on the team. Playing with ten men from the off doesn't help any team looking for success. Man for fucks sake let Jose in the door and get his coat off before dealing with all that is in front of him. Seriously Jose and exit should not be tolerated in a sentence at this point. Really come on. I think you need to calm down for a start. Pep has fired some big names through the door and probably has the team he more of less wants for his first season.Meanwhile we turned down a bid for Jones, yes, Jones, been here five years, done bugger all really. Despite spending a fortune there are too many duds on big wages, Rooney is another one and has been for a few years. Of course it's not that easy as the press are on your back the minute the golden child's name is questioned but starting him every game without fail despite him putting in performances that a drunken uncle at a wedding would be proud of is a dangerous game. I wanted Jose here when Fergie retired and was gutted when he went to Chelsea and we got the Scottish imposter so your reaction made me laugh. The press have the knives out for Rooney tonight, they must have finally had an epiphany. Jose needs to protect himself, he has the ideal opportunity to do so now with the tabloids finally questioning what some of us have known for some time re Rooney.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:22:26 GMT
I personally felt that Rooney being left out of the Feyenoord squad was the first sign of Mourinho loosening his stranglehold. Hasn't happened in past years. It's alright saying he was resting him for today but Zlatan went and played the last half hour. If he rated Rooney that highly he'd have been on the bench like Zlatan, to come on and influence the game if we needed it. For me it shows that he feels Zlatan can affect the game more than Rooney, which is obvious to all but it's good to at least think the manager has the same thoughts.
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Post by Big_Rons_Leather_Coat on Sept 18, 2016 20:27:17 GMT
If it is ever proven that Rooney was only playing for commercial reasons then a revolt of epic proportions should commence.
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Post by mightyez on Sept 18, 2016 20:35:33 GMT
SET is right, messing with wayne from the jump off is just suicidal, give him a rope to hang himself whilst getting results is the safer bet. allow him to hang himself whilst we are losing and that is equally suicidal, either way regardless of what he is being paid i wouldn't want to be Jose right now
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 18, 2016 20:36:24 GMT
Jose isn't blind nor stupid, he knows what he needs to do to get this sorted out.
Thankfully, over the years he's generally made damn sure he gets the players in he needs; I'm confident that if there isn't a change in the next couple of months in our performances, then we'll see another signing or two in Jan.
As has already been said, the midfield just isn't right yet. Pogba and Fellaini are doing ok individually, unless he started on absolute fire then Pogba was always going to get hammered by the media and ABU's, at the end of the day he's a young kid under a lot of pressure, unable to play his natural game just yet and coming into the team after a long season and Euro 2016, then no pre season. I wasn't expected miracles from him from day one.
But we have to get Fellaini out (he can sit on the bench but whilst we know there's a lot more to come from Pogba, what we're seeing from Fellani, whilst ok, is probably the best he's got, which isn't good enough), having Pog's and Herrera as attacking mid's either side of Schneiderlin, Carrick or Blind would be a lot better than we are seeing now.
I said after the City game, wide right in a 4-3-3 is probably the best place to stick Rooney, to limit the influence he can have on the game (influencing either team if you know what I mean). The above midfield 3 should see us dominate most midfield battles, then it's up to Zlatan and either Martial or Rashford on the left to turn that dominance into goals.
SET is spot on that Mourinho cannot just dump Rooney out the team. He has too much influence, both in the board room and the dressing room, and he's been burned doing that to huge name, past it players at his 2 previous clubs.
Fucking fuming after the performance but I've had a sleep on it now (in Australia so Monday morning here, I'm not just a lazy bastard), and still confident we have the absolute right man in charge to see what is happening on the pitch, and put it right.
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Post by Karma on Sept 18, 2016 20:36:54 GMT
I personally felt that Rooney being left out of the Feyenoord squad was the first sign of Mourinho loosening his stranglehold. Hasn't happened in past years. It's alright saying he was resting him for today but Zlatan went and played the last half hour. If he rated Rooney that highly he'd have been on the bench like Zlatan, to come on and influence the game if we needed it. For me it shows that he feels Zlatan can affect the game more than Rooney, which is obvious to all but it's good to at least think the manager has the same thoughts. We certainly need a striker in the summer. A pity there's a transfer ban for the Madrid's otherwise Greizeman would be my go to option. Rooney should have been subbed today, he was shockingly bad even by his standards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:43:42 GMT
My favourite part was when Watford brought on success to troll us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:48:16 GMT
Jose isn't blind nor stupid, he knows what he needs to do to get this sorted out. Thankfully, over the years he's generally made damn sure he gets the players in he needs; I'm confident that if there isn't a change in the next couple of months in our performances, then we'll see another signing or two in Jan. As has already been said, the midfield just isn't right yet. Pogba and Fellaini are doing ok individually, unless he started on absolute fire then Pogba was always going to get hammered by the media and ABU's, at the end of the day he's a young kid under a lot of pressure, unable to play his natural game just yet and coming into the team after a long season and Euro 2016, then no pre season. I wasn't expected miracles from him from day one. But we have to get Fellaini out (he can sit on the bench but whilst we know there's a lot more to come from Pogba, what we're seeing from Fellani, whilst ok, is probably the best he's got, which isn't good enough), having Pog's and Herrera as attacking mid's either side of Schneiderlin, Carrick or Blind would be a lot better than we are seeing now. I said after the City game, wide right in a 4-3-3 is probably the best place to stick Rooney, to limit the influence he can have on the game (influencing either team if you know what I mean). The above midfield 3 should see us dominate most midfield battles, then it's up to Zlatan and either Martial or Rashford on the left to turn that dominance into goals. SET is spot on that Mourinho cannot just dump Rooney out the team. He has too much influence, both in the board room and the dressing room, and he's been burned doing that to huge name, past it players at his 2 previous clubs. Fucking fuming after the performance but I've had a sleep on it now (in Australia so Monday morning here, I'm not just a lazy bastard), and still confident we have the absolute right man in charge to see what is happening on the pitch, and put it right. Why are we talking about signings already? We've spent 500 billion in the last few years. Jose got the signings he wanted. How about we focus on playing an actual style of football and tbe results will come. If Jose can't do that then we need to hire a manager who can rebuild us from the bottom up which is probably what we should have done anyway.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 18, 2016 20:56:52 GMT
Jose isn't blind nor stupid, he knows what he needs to do to get this sorted out. Thankfully, over the years he's generally made damn sure he gets the players in he needs; I'm confident that if there isn't a change in the next couple of months in our performances, then we'll see another signing or two in Jan. As has already been said, the midfield just isn't right yet. Pogba and Fellaini are doing ok individually, unless he started on absolute fire then Pogba was always going to get hammered by the media and ABU's, at the end of the day he's a young kid under a lot of pressure, unable to play his natural game just yet and coming into the team after a long season and Euro 2016, then no pre season. I wasn't expected miracles from him from day one. But we have to get Fellaini out (he can sit on the bench but whilst we know there's a lot more to come from Pogba, what we're seeing from Fellani, whilst ok, is probably the best he's got, which isn't good enough), having Pog's and Herrera as attacking mid's either side of Schneiderlin, Carrick or Blind would be a lot better than we are seeing now. I said after the City game, wide right in a 4-3-3 is probably the best place to stick Rooney, to limit the influence he can have on the game (influencing either team if you know what I mean). The above midfield 3 should see us dominate most midfield battles, then it's up to Zlatan and either Martial or Rashford on the left to turn that dominance into goals. SET is spot on that Mourinho cannot just dump Rooney out the team. He has too much influence, both in the board room and the dressing room, and he's been burned doing that to huge name, past it players at his 2 previous clubs. Fucking fuming after the performance but I've had a sleep on it now (in Australia so Monday morning here, I'm not just a lazy bastard), and still confident we have the absolute right man in charge to see what is happening on the pitch, and put it right. Why are we talking about signings already? We've spent 500 billion in the last few years. Jose got the signings he wanted. How about we focus on playing an actual style of football and tbe results will come. If Jose can't do that then we need to hire a manager who can rebuild us from the bottom up which is probably what we should have done anyway. Shouldn't talk about any new signings, should talk about replacing Mourinho after 6 games. Ok, got it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:01:03 GMT
Or go back to 4-4-2 Dave Valencia - Bailly - Smalling - Shaw Mkhitaryan - Pogba - Herrera - Martial Ibrash Simple. I want this
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Post by Monty on Sept 18, 2016 21:02:09 GMT
I think Rooney is just seeing how badly he has to play to be taken off or dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:11:43 GMT
Can I just say again that it isn't fair to compare Van Gaal to Moyes? The first was boring, had poor results (the latter did too by the way) but he hasn't extended Rooney's contract and he for sure didn't fire a champion staff. And Fellaini coming. He didn't make a legendary defender watch videos of Jagielka. No, Van Gaal's mistakes aren't haunting us as much as Moyes' ones. And he won us a trophy. Not even close between the two
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:15:18 GMT
All over the web Smalling is now getting a shoeing by people who wanting him to replace Blind after Blinds mistakes against City. None of us have a clue what our best 11 and tactics should be, so I'm not surprised things are disjointed. He's made some changes, but the tactics and formation hasn't. I wonder how long he'll leave it. I like that he had them in the dressing room for a while afterwards. I know we have a game in midweek, but the players if they are interested in breaking through this should be asking for extra work, to get the managers methods drummed into them. why is everyone blaming Smalling? Lokked like Bailly had a shocker to me
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Post by On a break on Sept 18, 2016 21:16:16 GMT
I said at the start of the season that Jose is giving Rooney enough rope to hang himself with, he rested him and he played even worse today, Rooney is the club captain so Jose isnt going to come in and rip the script up right away, but it goes much deeper than that, we have a set of players who are still suffering from van Gaal's oppressive regime, just look at Martials face the lad looks like a manic depressive, lighten up Tony ffs and start enjoying yourself. Plenty of work to do here Jose, more than you bargained for.
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