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Post by Bestie on Sept 18, 2016 21:20:44 GMT
All over the web Smalling is now getting a shoeing by people who wanting him to replace Blind after Blinds mistakes against City. None of us have a clue what our best 11 and tactics should be, so I'm not surprised things are disjointed. He's made some changes, but the tactics and formation hasn't. I wonder how long he'll leave it. I like that he had them in the dressing room for a while afterwards. I know we have a game in midweek, but the players if they are interested in breaking through this should be asking for extra work, to get the managers methods drummed into them. why is everyone blaming Smalling? Lokked like Bailly had a shocker to me You were obviously watching a different game then. Bailly wasn't completely on it but still looked like the senior guy. Not that my opinion will be counted in this, because I don't rate Smalling anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:27:22 GMT
I saw it coming when we were dominating. Exactly the same as Thursday night. Feel bad for it but stuck a tenner on them winning. Knew it would happen so why not. What is going on at United? Why are managers struggling to get us playing well? Fergie seems to be the only one who can do it. Has Jose's teams ever played this bad? 6 points behind City after just 5 games and zero signs it's getting better. What is going on? Jose has a great track record so the right man for sure. It's gonna take some time but you can't spend this much and be 6 points behind already. Fuck this transition shit. We need to be doing it now. So far off the pace. That international break came at a bad time. Why does great track record mean he's the right guy for us. We're a unique club and we like all out attack and great wing play. Where is it?
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 18, 2016 21:37:09 GMT
I saw it coming when we were dominating. Exactly the same as Thursday night. Feel bad for it but stuck a tenner on them winning. Knew it would happen so why not. What is going on at United? Why are managers struggling to get us playing well? Fergie seems to be the only one who can do it. Has Jose's teams ever played this bad? 6 points behind City after just 5 games and zero signs it's getting better. What is going on? Jose has a great track record so the right man for sure. It's gonna take some time but you can't spend this much and be 6 points behind already. Fuck this transition shit. We need to be doing it now. So far off the pace. That international break came at a bad time. Why does great track record mean he's the right guy for us. We're a unique club and we like all out attack and great wing play. Where is it? Wing play....ah they were the days
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:40:48 GMT
Can't believe some people are seriously even entertaining the idea of questioning Jose after only 5 league games.
Lost for words at how fucking retarded that really is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:40:51 GMT
Why are we talking about signings already? We've spent 500 billion in the last few years. Jose got the signings he wanted. How about we focus on playing an actual style of football and tbe results will come. If Jose can't do that then we need to hire a manager who can rebuild us from the bottom up which is probably what we should have done anyway. Shouldn't talk about any new signings, should talk about replacing Mourinho after 6 games. Ok, got it. I'm not talking about replacing Mourinho. I want to watch my club again. I'm sick of watching someone else's shite team. I'm sick of making excuses for managers. Rooney needs to be dropped and we need to attack. We are Manchester fucki NV United and we ATTACK teams. This shit is our own doing as a club. Wrong players, wrong managers. It's one colossal fuck up after another.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 18, 2016 21:49:58 GMT
Was talking about Rooney with a couple of people earlier, or rather discussing his decline. Trying to pinpoint when it all proper went to shit. My mate suggested it was when he had his hair done, another mate suggested it was after the 2010 World Cup.
Anyway it caused me to recall a game I was at in I think 2010, against Fulham at home. We won 3-0, Rooney scored twice and was terrific. Probably the last time I physically saw him be terrific. So I looked the game up to make sure I'd recalled it right, and discovered that the reports on it all said "United not at their best". We weren't at our best, but we won 3-0 and had about 35 shots. 35 fucking shots. Those were the days.
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Post by Stew on Sept 18, 2016 21:55:35 GMT
The last time Rooney did anything was 10-11 when he linked up really well with Hernandez.
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 18, 2016 21:58:16 GMT
Can't believe some people are seriously even entertaining the idea of questioning Jose after only 5 league games. Lost for words at how fucking retarded that really is. That is the game now unfortunately, couple more silly losses, dropped points away and we suddenly find ourselves in another scrap for champs lg places. We have seen with Moyes and LvG what happens when you don't get into that top 4. The days of giving managers a couple of seasons are long gone especially considering the amount of money changing hands.
Myself I'm not worried as I think Jose is just getting to grips with the squad and that this job is too important to him to allow himself to crash and burn.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 18, 2016 21:58:25 GMT
This isn't fun but I think we need poor performances and poor results to weed out poor performers and encourage Mourinho to figure out tactics and team selections that get the best out of the squad.
Totally agree the Pogba-Fellaini-Rooney axis is completely toxic. Pogba is almost as tactically undisciplined as Rooney. I have some sympathy for Fellaini. He is a limited player and follows instructions. But he is simply not suited for the holding midfielder role and is left horribly exposed by Pogba and Rooney.
A few things are pretty obvious.
Firstly, Rooney should be played either out wide or preferably on the bench. He is toxic through the middle.
Secondly, Fellaini is not a holding midfielder. Never has been never will be. We desperately need someone defensively minded who can pass such as Carrick or Blind or Schneiderlin in our midfield.
Thirdly, if we are playing two in midfield Pogba needs to be given a well defined role and responsibilities so he plays for the team and doesn't leave us exposed.
The other stuff is more open for debate. But here is my two cents.
Rashford is better in a central role where his link up play and eye for goal can most benefit the team. It is also the perfect excuse to shift Rooney out wide and eventually to the bench. But I'd caution against playing Rashford every game. Especially when we have Mata able to provide something different in the hole.
Mkhi is a better option on the right once he gets up to speed. He has pace, creativity and is more of a natural fit for that role than Rashford who is wasted out wide. But it will probably be a month with a few Europa games, substitute appearances when we are cruising, and a domestic cup game to get him there. In the interim happy to either play Rooney there (because lets face it there are dark forces that make it difficult to imagine Rooney being dropped before Christmas) or Young or Lingard as a more natural wide option to give the side balance and also deliver some crosses for Zlatan to get on the end of.
On the left Martial is the best option. But I am not averse to occasionally playing Rooney there while we phase him out of the team. He will do a lot more damage there than centrally but will be underwhelming enough to make it pretty easy to replace him with Martial especially when Martial hits top form.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 18, 2016 21:59:02 GMT
The last time Rooney did anything was 10-11 when he linked up really well with Hernandez.
I think you mean 11-12? He only scored 16 goals in 10-11, he hit 34 the following season.
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Post by Karma on Sept 18, 2016 21:59:43 GMT
Or go back to 4-4-2 Dave Valencia - Bailly - Smalling - Shaw Mkhitaryan - Pogba - Herrera - Martial Ibrash Simple. I want this I think Blind should have a place in the starting 11. Okay he didn't have a great game against City but he was hardly on his own either. Captain Stinky gets away with 3 out of 10 performances week on week without consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 22:02:38 GMT
I think Blind should have a place in the starting 11. Okay he didn't have a great game against City but he was hardly on his own either. Captain Stinky gets away with 3 out of 10 performances week on week and gets away with it. Yeah I'd be happy to have blind in. We missed his passing big time.
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 18, 2016 22:02:44 GMT
In regards to Rooney I think dazjoe nailed it the other day. Yes he is a massive problem however the idea that he gets dropped and we suddenly start playing like the 1999 team is a little far fetched. Take set pieces for example Rooney has had a nightmare with them for the past couple of seasons but we don't have anyone else that can step up either. Second half today both Zlatan an Mata took freekicks at the edge of the box in a potentially dangerous position and they both hit the first man.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 18, 2016 22:12:39 GMT
One thing Mou must sort out is basic movement of the forward players.
Don't know if it's been mentioned because I can't be bothered to go through the previous 40 pages, but there was a moment in the 2nd half when Bailly played a shit pass out right to Valencia and instead spooned it out for a throw in.
Whilst it was a bad pass, he dallied on the ball for a few seconds because all the players in front of him were stood still, back to the Watford goal, looking at him. What is a player supposed to do? If everyone is static his options are limited to pretty much A - Pass to someone and put him in trouble; 2- Turn around and pass back to De Gea to punt it up field, or C - Run with the ball; great if it opens the opposition up, not so great if you lose it and we end up in the shit.
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 18, 2016 22:21:26 GMT
One thing Mou must sort out is basic movement of the forward players.
Don't know if it's been mentioned because I can't be bothered to go through the previous 40 pages, but there was a moment in the 2nd half when Bailly played a shit pass out right to Valencia and instead spooned it out for a throw in.
Whilst it was a bad pass, he dallied on the ball for a few seconds because all the players in front of him were stood still, back to the Watford goal, looking at him. What is a player supposed to do? If everyone is static his options are limited to pretty much A - Pass to someone and put him in trouble; 2- Turn around and pass back to De Gea to punt it up field, or C - Run with the ball; great if it opens the opposition up, not so great if you lose it and we end up in the shit. We seem to struggle to create any space and for me that's solely down to the players as it was under LvG. Football basics if there is no space you move and try and create a pocket or at the very least drag some defenders with you. We are so pedestrian with our build up play its really astounding.
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