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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 10, 2022 20:19:40 GMT
Can't see them winning a WC with that midfield. or with that manager. He's playing favourites. How can he drop players and select ones that ain't playing any football. The last England manager with balls was Glenn Hoodle, most of them shy away from really tough decisions
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Post by Stretty on Nov 10, 2022 20:32:19 GMT
He's playing favourites. How can he drop players and select ones that ain't playing any football. The last England manager with balls was Glenn Hoodle, most of them shy away from really tough decisions All England mangers just play it safe as the are shit scared of any backlash if they make a brave decision and it goes wrong. This is as big as it gets job wise for the vast majority of them.
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Post by ratbag on Nov 11, 2022 14:42:40 GMT
Kalvin Phillips has played 14 minutes of football this season…
…14 minutes…
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Post by Paul on Nov 11, 2022 15:04:50 GMT
Kalvin Phillips has played 14 minutes of football this season… …14 minutes… Baffles me that a playerbase Southgate has to choose from he still manages to pick utter shit or players that have barely played. Tomori, Toney and Bowen are far better options than Phillips, Maguire and Grealish. Henderson shouldn't be playing at that level either. You don't even have to take many risks with the squad, just pick players that are actually playing well and deserve it. It really isn't difficult.
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Post by Kojak on Nov 11, 2022 18:27:46 GMT
Kalvin Phillips has played 14 minutes of football this season… …14 minutes… Baffles me that a playerbase Southgate has to choose from he still manages to pick utter shit or players that have barely played. Tomori, Toney and Bowen are far better options than Phillips, Maguire and Grealish. Henderson shouldn't be playing at that level either. You don't even have to take many risks with the squad, just pick players that are actually playing well and deserve it. It really isn't difficult. In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference.
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Post by Paul on Nov 11, 2022 19:01:00 GMT
Baffles me that a playerbase Southgate has to choose from he still manages to pick utter shit or players that have barely played. Tomori, Toney and Bowen are far better options than Phillips, Maguire and Grealish. Henderson shouldn't be playing at that level either. You don't even have to take many risks with the squad, just pick players that are actually playing well and deserve it. It really isn't difficult. In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference. Tbf I'm relying on the squad being as shite as possible for the benefit of the group so I'm not bother who he picks 😂. I'm not shocked by some of the players he picked, just think there are better options he could have gone with. It'll be hid last tournament either way.
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Post by Bestie on Nov 11, 2022 20:04:24 GMT
Baffles me that a playerbase Southgate has to choose from he still manages to pick utter shit or players that have barely played. Tomori, Toney and Bowen are far better options than Phillips, Maguire and Grealish. Henderson shouldn't be playing at that level either. You don't even have to take many risks with the squad, just pick players that are actually playing well and deserve it. It really isn't difficult. In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference. I'm finding the faux outrage/confusion/shock at the England squad quite hilarious to be perfectly honest. As if including or not including Phillips or - literally LOL - Jarrod Bowen or *Middling Clogger Here* is the difference between England winning the World Cup and four more years of well-deserved hurt. Edit: I genuinely cannot stop laughing at the thought of Jarrod Bowen being in a discussion about playing in the fucking World Cup.
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Post by Kojak on Nov 11, 2022 20:30:26 GMT
In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference. I'm finding the faux outrage/confusion/shock at the England squad quite hilarious to be perfectly honest. As if including or not including Phillips or - literally LOL - Jarrod Bowen or *Middling Clogger Here* is the difference between England winning the World Cup and four more years of well-deserved hurt. Edit: I genuinely cannot stop laughing at the thought of Jarrod Bowen being in a discussion about playing in the fucking World Cup. Yeah that’s what I mean, the players suggested aren’t difference makers are they. They’re just players who’ve scored a few goals recently. Like, I doubt any England fans are looking back at Euro 2004 and thinking “wow, we really could’ve won that tournament if only we’d taken James Beattie”. I mean, he was knocking them in for Southampton after all. I think there’s also more to building a tournament squad than picking a load of players who have scored a few goals in isolation or picking some flavour of the months. The Italians (granted, haven’t qualified) take old bastards all the time. Players who you think are finished, but they’re praised for taking players of great experience. Veterans. The Argies have taken players in the past that I literally thought were retired from football and they’ve shown their worth. There’s reasons to have players in a squad beyond whether or not they’re in your starting lineup. It’s interesting actually, because Southgate was praised in 2018 for taking youngsters and the squad wasn’t overly scrutinised because nobody expected anything. And now as expectations have risen, his selections have come under the microscope to an almost ridiculous degree. Honestly hope he comes out and goes “yeah, Phillips hasn’t played much, but he makes proper class bacon butties, the lads love them and would’ve gone fucking mental at me for leaving him out”.
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Post by Kojak on Nov 11, 2022 20:33:09 GMT
In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference. Tbf I'm relying on the squad being as shite as possible for the benefit of the group so I'm not bother who he picks 😂. I'm not shocked by some of the players he picked, just think there are better options he could have gone with. It'll be hid last tournament either way. I’m just not seeing the better options that are available in midfield really, centrally. But aye, you’ll be hoping he starts Eric Dier in the middle of the park alongside James Corden obviously!
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Post by ratbag on Nov 11, 2022 20:39:17 GMT
In mitigation (I don’t think Southgate is a good manager btw), he’s taking a lot of players he trusts. Because these are the players that have got him to a semi and a final. There is logic in what he has done in that sense. People pulling shocked face like he was ever going to leave Maguire out. Same with Henderson, who is probably there mostly for experience and for his qualities around the squad. He wasn’t starting games at the last Euro’s, so he’s not going to be now. Bowen is shite and playing in a struggling West Ham side to boot. There’s no way he should be going over Grealish. He’s not taking a squad full of people who have barely had a cap for their country. Most of these players are ones he has worked with before and trusts. The odd one however is Phillips, who has not had any football this season and was injured all of last season. That one seems strange because he’s not playing at all. But then who are the other genuine stand out options for the centre of midfield? It’s just a weak area for England. I would’ve been taking Toney purely for a penalty. Big squad like that you can afford to take someone just for that. Other than that, Toney is hardly a brilliant player is he. Every tournament people go wild over the squad. It’s not like he’s left the equivalent of prime Messi at home. The likes of Bowen etc aren’t having an impact on any international tournament, so it makes no difference. I'm finding the faux outrage/confusion/shock at the England squad quite hilarious to be perfectly honest. As if including or not including Phillips or - literally LOL - Jarrod Bowen or *Middling Clogger Here* is the difference between England winning the World Cup and four more years of well-deserved hurt. Edit: I genuinely cannot stop laughing at the thought of Jarrod Bowen being in a discussion about playing in the fucking World Cup. I doubt that many people think England might win but at least try to give yourself the best opportunity…
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Post by Kojak on Nov 11, 2022 20:42:04 GMT
I'm finding the faux outrage/confusion/shock at the England squad quite hilarious to be perfectly honest. As if including or not including Phillips or - literally LOL - Jarrod Bowen or *Middling Clogger Here* is the difference between England winning the World Cup and four more years of well-deserved hurt. Edit: I genuinely cannot stop laughing at the thought of Jarrod Bowen being in a discussion about playing in the fucking World Cup. I doubt that many people think England might win but at least try to give yourself the best opportunity… By taking Bowen?
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Post by ratbag on Nov 11, 2022 20:50:34 GMT
I doubt that many people think England might win but at least try to give yourself the best opportunity… By taking Bowen? No! But maybe find someone who has played some football instead of Phillips…
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Post by Paul on Nov 11, 2022 21:24:54 GMT
I doubt that many people think England might win but at least try to give yourself the best opportunity… By taking Bowen? Btw I'm not saying Bowen should be there. Just that he's a better option than Phillips. For a playerbase they have to choose from though that midfield is pretty weak.
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Post by Kojak on Nov 11, 2022 21:48:57 GMT
No! But maybe find someone who has played some football instead of Phillips… Who?
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Post by Bestie on Nov 12, 2022 9:15:23 GMT
I'm finding the faux outrage/confusion/shock at the England squad quite hilarious to be perfectly honest. As if including or not including Phillips or - literally LOL - Jarrod Bowen or *Middling Clogger Here* is the difference between England winning the World Cup and four more years of well-deserved hurt. Edit: I genuinely cannot stop laughing at the thought of Jarrod Bowen being in a discussion about playing in the fucking World Cup. I doubt that many people think England might win but at least try to give yourself the best opportunity… There are literally no players England that give you a best opportunity to win the World Cup. England doesn't have eleven players good enough.
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