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Post by redcase on Aug 9, 2024 10:06:14 GMT
Farage has been noted as being a fascist from his university days. So whether folk like it or not, a vote for Reform is a vote for a fascist, racist leader at the very least.I don’t believe everyone who voted for them is necessarily racist and I do think it’s ok to have concerns about immigration. But those conversations need to be sensible and had with the type of empathy that certain politicians/people in the media won’t allow to happen. Utter rubbish. dont forget reforms chairman and biggest doner is a Muslim. Makes sense that Reform is funded by a kebab. They are a large bunch of meatheads. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 9, 2024 10:30:50 GMT
This is quite the tread.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 9, 2024 10:32:46 GMT
Farage has been noted as being a fascist from his university days. So whether folk like it or not, a vote for Reform is a vote for a fascist, racist leader at the very least.I don’t believe everyone who voted for them is necessarily racist and I do think it’s ok to have concerns about immigration. But those conversations need to be sensible and had with the type of empathy that certain politicians/people in the media won’t allow to happen. Utter rubbish. dont forget reforms chairman and biggest doner is a Muslim. And if he was the leader of the party instead of Farage nobody would’ve voted for them. He is a fascist. You voted for him. Own it. |
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Post by Stretty on Aug 9, 2024 11:13:38 GMT
Utter rubbish. dont forget reforms chairman and biggest doner is a Muslim. And if he was the leader of the party instead of Farage nobody would’ve voted for them. He is a fascist. You voted for him. Own it. No problem. i will own it and I will own it again in 5 years. |
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Post by caino on Aug 9, 2024 11:55:58 GMT
the Uk now arresting people for speaking online. we are in a dictatorship. the UK convict 3400 over the course of the year for inflammatory posts on social media, compared to 300 convictions in Russia. the UK is a total cesspit and i wish i could leave I’m not about to shed a tear for racist bigots who incite hatred and division online, leading to violence. They belong in jail. Also, why not make a trip to Russia and let us know how it is? It must be great, seeing as Russia has experienced the largest exodus of citizens in modern history over the past year. not all these cases are racial, its hate speech in general. that is subjective to how sensitive someone is. if you state (Note: im not for legal reasons) "the government are fucking useless cunts that are acting against their own citizens" - you can be arrested on a terrorist charges for inflammatory publications. this is a dangerous precedent. this is happening at the same time violent criminals and rapists are given lesser sentences, such as the man who was just released from prison 6 months into a life sentence for a machete murder. or the immigrant who raped kids having 2 year sentence. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 9, 2024 12:02:43 GMT
I’m not about to shed a tear for racist bigots who incite hatred and division online, leading to violence. They belong in jail. Also, why not make a trip to Russia and let us know how it is? It must be great, seeing as Russia has experienced the largest exodus of citizens in modern history over the past year. not all these cases are racial, its hate speech in general. that is subjective to how sensitive someone is. if you state (Note: im not for legal reasons) "the government are fucking useless cunts that are acting against their own citizens" - you can be arrested on a terrorist charges for inflammatory publications. this is a dangerous precedent. this is happening at the same time violent criminals and rapists are given lesser sentences, such as the man who was just released from prison 6 months into a life sentence for a machete murder. or the immigrant who raped kids having 2 year sentence. You can absolutely NOT be arrested on a terrorism charge for making that statement. Stop making shit up. |
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Post by caino on Aug 9, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
not all these cases are racial, its hate speech in general. that is subjective to how sensitive someone is. if you state (Note: im not for legal reasons) "the government are fucking useless cunts that are acting against their own citizens" - you can be arrested on a terrorist charges for inflammatory publications. this is a dangerous precedent. this is happening at the same time violent criminals and rapists are given lesser sentences, such as the man who was just released from prison 6 months into a life sentence for a machete murder. or the immigrant who raped kids having 2 year sentence. You can absolutely NOT be arrested on a terrorism charge for making that statement. Stop making shit up. apologies, badly worded.. in future you could be. this is where its dangerous with the new laws being brought in. at the moment you can be arrested for calling a "trans" the wrong name, he/she, previous name. its all being classified as hate speech. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 9, 2024 12:40:32 GMT
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 9, 2024 12:57:40 GMT
You can absolutely NOT be arrested on a terrorism charge for making that statement. Stop making shit up. apologies, badly worded.. in future you could be. this is where its dangerous with the new laws being brought in. at the moment you can be arrested for calling a "trans" the wrong name, he/she, previous name. its all being classified as hate speech. I'm a free speech absolutist in most cases and censorship in the UK is on the rise. Some of the stuff yesterday on the radio about censorship of certain people and sites was over the top. If someone wants to argue a point then they should be allowed to argue it. Its on you to tell them why you think they're wrong by challenging them. Now there's free speech and hate speech and that's not allowed even in places like the US where free speech is a constitutional right. Its pretty easy to spot hate speech. Saying I don't like people from a particular faith is very different than asking people to purge them. |
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Post by caino on Aug 9, 2024 13:07:12 GMT
yes this story. he was equally responsible for the murder of another lad. he should be serving life. whatever way you look at it. and for him to be out so quick is a kick in the teeth for the victims family. what other posts are you referring to ? do you believe this lad, an obvious risk to society, running around with machetes, is more dangerous than people who discriminate online? who are receiving tougher sentances? |
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Post by redcase on Aug 9, 2024 13:22:53 GMT
yes this story. he was equally responsible for the murder of another lad. he should be serving life. whatever way you look at it. and for him to be out so quick is a kick in the teeth for the victims family. what other posts are you referring to ? do you believe this lad, an obvious risk to society, running around with machetes, is more dangerous than people who discriminate online? who are receiving tougher sentances? If it is this story why are you spreading misinformation? Or who provided you with this misinformation? Do they serve any particular purpose for you or the person who provided it to you? He wasn't serving life. He was serving 2 years and change. He didn't murder anyone. He gave someone a machete. All of your other hypotheticals are meaningless and serve no purpose, so discussing them are a waste of time. I believe someone who spreads rumors to incite violence are extremely dangerous to society. They take advantage of impressionable youth and turn them into hatemongers. One man with a machete can kill 1? 2? 3? Maybe even 4 people? I don't know. A man who incites 50 people to run around a town with petrol bombs, incendiaries, knives and whatever else, with an aim to cause violence against another set of people is extremely dangerous. |
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Post by caino on Aug 9, 2024 14:03:02 GMT
yes this story. he was equally responsible for the murder of another lad. he should be serving life. whatever way you look at it. and for him to be out so quick is a kick in the teeth for the victims family. what other posts are you referring to ? do you believe this lad, an obvious risk to society, running around with machetes, is more dangerous than people who discriminate online? who are receiving tougher sentances? If it is this story why are you spreading misinformation? Or who provided you with this misinformation? Do they serve any particular purpose for you or the person who provided it to you? He wasn't serving life. He was serving 2 years and change. He didn't murder anyone. He gave someone a machete. All of your other hypotheticals are meaningless and serve no purpose, so discussing them are a waste of time. I believe someone who spreads rumors to incite violence are extremely dangerous to society. They take advantage of impressionable youth and turn them into hatemongers. One man with a machete can kill 1? 2? 3? Maybe even 4 people? I don't know. A man who incites 50 people to run around a town with petrol bombs, incendiaries, knives and whatever else, with an aim to cause violence against another set of people is extremely dangerous. he wasnt, but he should be. hes a kid running around with a machete and someone has died. whether he slashed him or not. him and the attacker both should serve life. hypothetical's aren't meaningless. they're there to be discussed. if you dont believe them and want to believe mainstream narratives that's fine. its not baseless tho. we can debate but they're there for discussions. discussions need to be held with people at the moment as too many "cover ups / bending of the truths" are whats helping flame these issues. theres no clarity. |
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Post by Stretty on Aug 9, 2024 14:09:35 GMT
apologies, badly worded.. in future you could be. this is where its dangerous with the new laws being brought in. at the moment you can be arrested for calling a "trans" the wrong name, he/she, previous name. its all being classified as hate speech. Some of the stuff yesterday on the radio about censorship of certain people and sites was over the top. If someone wants to argue a point then they should be allowed to argue it. It’s on you to tell them why you think they're wrong by challenging them. Now there's free speech and hate speech and that's not allowed even in places like the US where free speech is a constitutional right. It’s pretty easy to spot hate speech. Saying I don't like people from a particular faith is very different than asking people to purge them. just watching the news now and someone has just got 20 months for Facebook posts. no matter what side of politics you are on this is a worrying precedent. Hate speech as it’s known is subjective to interpretation and can be used by any government to suppress dissent. its the way the likes of Russia,china or North Korea keep the general population in check. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 9, 2024 14:14:24 GMT
If it is this story why are you spreading misinformation? Or who provided you with this misinformation? Do they serve any particular purpose for you or the person who provided it to you? He wasn't serving life. He was serving 2 years and change. He didn't murder anyone. He gave someone a machete. All of your other hypotheticals are meaningless and serve no purpose, so discussing them are a waste of time. I believe someone who spreads rumors to incite violence are extremely dangerous to society. They take advantage of impressionable youth and turn them into hatemongers. One man with a machete can kill 1? 2? 3? Maybe even 4 people? I don't know. A man who incites 50 people to run around a town with petrol bombs, incendiaries, knives and whatever else, with an aim to cause violence against another set of people is extremely dangerous. he wasnt, but he should be. hes a kid running around with a machete and someone has died. whether he slashed him or not. him and the attacker both should serve life. hypothetical's aren't meaningless. they're there to be discussed. if you dont believe them and want to believe mainstream narratives that's fine. its not baseless tho. we can debate but they're there for discussions. discussions need to be held with people at the moment as too many "cover ups / bending of the truths" are whats helping flame these issues. theres no clarity. So the entire premise of your initial post was wrong. Glad we’re clear on that. I prefer to speak truths, facts, and what is rather than what could be based on baseless assumptions. For a discussion to have meaning it must be grounded in reality. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 9, 2024 14:20:13 GMT
I'm a free speech absolutist in most cases and censorship in the UK is on the rise. Some of the stuff yesterday on the radio about censorship of certain people and sites was over the top. If someone wants to argue a point then they should be allowed to argue it. It’s on you to tell them why you think they're wrong by challenging them. Now there's free speech and hate speech and that's not allowed even in places like the US where free speech is a constitutional right. It’s pretty easy to spot hate speech. Saying I don't like people from a particular faith is very different than asking people to purge them. just watching the news now and someone has just got 20 months for Facebook posts. no matter what side of politics you are on this is a worrying precedent. Hate speech as it’s known is subjective to interpretation and can be used by any government to suppress dissent. its the way the likes of Russia,china or North Korea keep the general population in check. The guy who has got 20 months was calling for people to violently attack a specific hotel housing asylum seekers and refugees. The worrying precedent would be allowing people to do this without fear of punishment. Context is everything. |
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