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Post by tel on May 3, 2009 21:13:10 GMT
any fight manny has now even at 147lb welter i think he will stay around 143lb a catch weight if ya know what i mean,
cotto looks massive to me, i mean looks around 155/60lb+ when enterig the ring, if that fight were to happen it would surly be at welterweight
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Post by Coogie on May 3, 2009 21:26:49 GMT
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Post by tel on May 3, 2009 21:39:51 GMT
yeah they may be right, i usually post over at eastside boxing, i am loving that guys aviator lol
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Post by Coogie on May 3, 2009 21:47:11 GMT
haha you know i've got her name and goggled her already lad lol!
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Post by devilton on May 3, 2009 21:53:48 GMT
I don't think Manny will go up more then 5 pounds to fight anybody. He doesn't have to anymore. Fighters will come down to his fighting weight. Manny being more then 145lbs is honestly going to change the type of fighter he is, so they will have to find a catch weight for the Mayweather fight (if it happens).
I do think that pretty boy will be able to matchup against Manny. I know he's a great fighter, but he's a great defensive fighter and that bodes well if your opponent is all out offensive fighter like Hatton. The reason mayweather was able to take out Hatton was because he was able to sustain the pressure hatton put on him in the first few rounds by using his superior defensive skills and then wait for Hatton to tire. Manny though is a supreme tactical fighter. His job on Hatton wasn't so much about punching power but of great execution of a game plan. Hatton as the world already knew has no defence at all and that's what Roach and Manny exposed.
I doubt Manny can take out Mayweather in 2 rounds, but they won't have to because there is no way that Mayweather can take out Manny. He doesn't throw bombs and his first thought is always to defend. Manny can take his time and attack with precision shots.
And that's where he will win the fight.
No matter how good Mayweather is. If they fight at a weight of 140lb, Manny's speed will be too much for him. Plus manny's got good defensive skill and thinks and acts like a boxer. He won't go in and get knocked out like hatton did.
Mayweather will actually have to go 10 rounds or more and wait for Manny to make a mistake, and somehow i just don't see him doing that. I would expect Manny to win in 8-9 rounds with TKO or knockout. He's at his fighting prime and with a coach who is one of the all time greats. I just don't see pretty boy who's been out of the game for a year to come back more focused and stronger against the Pacman.
It's been a good payday for both, but Mayweather won't be able to stand up to the Pac man
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Post by devilton on May 3, 2009 22:12:12 GMT
You've got to be kidding me ? Mayweathers got good defensive technique, but in terms of offense he's nothing great. Got very few combos and his power isn't anything to write home about either. He will probably not go down as easily as Hatton, but Manny will talk him out without a problem. Manny's speed and technique and his partnership with Roach is unreal. If Mayweather even comes back as strong as he once was i still put Manny to take him out in 5-6 rounds. that's a bold statement mate the pretty boy is a superbly skilled boxer and is one slippery bastard, he has many dimensions to his game, excellent on the back foot and pressing, it would be one hell of a fight too close to call for me Mayweather's record suggests he's one of the greats but he has yet to fight an opponent who is as good, if not better then him. If they fight in a weight class that suits both fighters equally i think Manny would give him the toughest fight of his life. And because mayweather has never lost I do believe he will come in confident he is invincible. I do believe in manny and roach you have two of the sharpest minds in boxing, the supreme talent and the brilliant boxing mind. There are weaknesses to mayweathers game, and they can be exposed if you have the skills. I can see Manny going hard at mayweather and putting pressure on him in the first few rounds, using his speed and agility with quick combo's to get mayweather on the defense and then milking points throughout to get a decision. I think once mayweather starts to feel pressure he will look to attack and that is where mannys counter punching will give him the edge. It's once mayweather is thinking offense that his defense will slip, and when in offense mayweather usually doesn't throw too many combo's and uses his reach which can be countered by a quicker more agile fighter. Not saying it would be easy, but i think manny in his current form has what it takes to give pretty boy his first L. |
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Post by tel on May 3, 2009 22:29:10 GMT
that's a bold statement mate the pretty boy is a superbly skilled boxer and is one slippery bastard, he has many dimensions to his game, excellent on the back foot and pressing, it would be one hell of a fight too close to call for me Mayweather's record suggests he's one of the greats but he has yet to fight an opponent who is as good, if not better then him. If they fight in a weight class that suits both fighters equally i think Manny would give him the toughest fight of his life. And because mayweather has never lost I do believe he will come in confident he is invincible. I do believe in manny and roach you have two of the sharpest minds in boxing, the supreme talent and the brilliant boxing mind. There are weaknesses to mayweathers game, and they can be exposed if you have the skills. I can see Manny going hard at mayweather and putting pressure on him in the first few rounds, using his speed and agility with quick combo's to get mayweather on the defense and then milking points throughout to get a decision. I think once mayweather starts to feel pressure he will look to attack and that is where mannys counter punching will give him the edge. It's once mayweather is thinking offense that his defense will slip, and when in offense mayweather usually doesn't throw too many combo's and uses his reach which can be countered by a quicker more agile fighter. Not saying it would be easy, but i think manny in his current form has what it takes to give pretty boy his first L. he hasnt fought an opponent as good of better as him because there hasnt been one until now. if they do fight it will be at 147lb but manny will stay around 143 and use the speed advantage, he does look slower when up at 147lb, obviously floyd will have a game plan too fighting manny on the back foot and countering is what he does best, floyd has the skills and the knowhow to do a job on manny there will be openings for both fighters. i really dont know who would win |
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Post by mightyez on May 4, 2009 18:42:41 GMT
firstly i am more than sure margarito had cement in his gloves for the cotto fight, him walkin through punches is the norm but cotto's face was not the norm.
as for manny well he is class in and out the ring but let me go on record saying mayweather wins the fight.
he may not have the punch power but what he has no other boxer today has, that is pure brains, the man has plan a-z, he will adapt to mannies style and barrage but manny will not figure floyd out, thats what i love about floyd boxing is art and he paints whatever picture he wants, i say we all watch some of his fights and we will see he can also trade blows, these 2 are quick, and accurate however floyd is smarter, in that ring he is boxer and tariner all in one.
with all that being said he has to get past marquez who is no mug.
come july we will see what floyd has imo i expect him to win both fights on points
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Post by David Gill on May 5, 2009 22:04:21 GMT
Mayweather is lightening fast! Very fast, constant mouvment. PAcquiao is fast for that split second only.
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Post by tel on May 5, 2009 22:14:28 GMT
Mayweather is lightening fast! Very fast, constant mouvment. PAcquiao is fast for that split second only. naa manny is like the wind, he has superb movement and power,opens up all angles to get good shots off. tough as fook aswell, |
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Post by Busby Boy on May 8, 2009 18:14:35 GMT
Mayweather to beat Pacquiao when the fight goes ahead. What did I say about Hatton though, over-rated piece of shit! Someone said he's a legend for his persona? Haha, get real, he hasn't even congratulated Pacquiao and said he could have beat him  Fuckin' idiot, glad to see him get served like that. Maybe he should have listened to his trainer, I loved how Mayweather told it how it was at the end too, instead of them clowns just saying what he wants to hear. Retire now, Hatton, do us all a favour. Only wished it lasted longer so I could watch him get knocked around some more. |
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Post by Supatrice> on May 9, 2009 1:04:23 GMT
Mate to call him a piece of shit just shows you have a lack of class!
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Post by Busby Boy on May 9, 2009 1:33:45 GMT
He is. How about not congratulating the boxer that soundly defeated him after he refused to listen to his coach and got soundly hammered by the better boxer? He deserved what he got.
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Post by Supatrice> on May 9, 2009 18:40:44 GMT
He'd just been knocked out, he was in bad shape that statement is BS!
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Post by Coogie on May 9, 2009 19:20:31 GMT
Hatton in my opinion should not be considered one of the greats of boxing for the simple reason he dominated a weight division, when that division lacked serious contenders. The only time he ever came up against a true quality opponent in his natural weight was against Manny and the results were disastorous. What Hatton had notoriety for was his stamina , endurance and heart rather than his in-ring ability once this began to wear away he was nowhere near the fighter he was in 2004/05. And in hindsight to think that a fighter with such a limited skill set challenged for the best p4p title twice is kind of laughable. But to his credit he pulled in a crowd, I think this was more to do with the average man on the street relating to him and his personality rather than his ability.
I wont go to the extremes of the poster above in criticising hatton, but I did find it lacked abit of class (for someone who is noted to be humble) that he did not give the pacman his due which he thoroughly deserved. I think he is still embarassed about it in reality.
In terms of Hattons future plans, I think he should give it up! Now! I was astonished that the day after a savage ko, he was out partying in las vegas. This is all fine and good if you have won the fight, but this guy got outclassed from start to finish. What this tells me is that this is someone who does not love the sport anymore, and sees himself more as a Box Office attraction than a professional, and who does not need to take on the sacrifices others have to do. Hatton should step down and not hold some other light-welter contender back simply because he can draw in ppv's and revenue.
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