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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 11:37:20 GMT
So in a nutshell, roughly 4% of cases are deemed false. But there is evidence that those numbers are skewed. And in the vast majority of cases a false accusation doesn’t name a person, rather a stranger. However, only 4 in 10 women ever report being raped. The fact is, lives are being destroyed. And virtually all of them are the women who cannot find justice when they are sexually assaulted and raped. I have no idea whether or not Ronaldo did this. Neither do you. I’m going to let it play out and see what happens. I take issue with the idea that women are going around ruining people’s lives on some sort of whim, for revenge or money. It’s false and the statistics simply do not back it up. Sadly is does happen though. Not saying this is the case with Ronaldo because none of us know all of the facts. But there are women/men that do this for their own gain and with false accusations rather than getting justice and it being true. I have a great sympathy for those that speak up and don't get the justice they deserve, people that falsely accuse others have a big impact on that as well. But as said above, its a horrible subject and rarely get the true story if violence hasn't been involved as its usually one persons word against the other. Hopefully the situation is resolved quickly this time round. |
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Post by mightyez on Oct 5, 2018 15:42:58 GMT
personally i think maybe he was ill advised to pay her if innocent.
should have squashed this back then really.
i read she went police after it happened but wouldn't give names etc, not sure if that is fact.
the giving of money and the fact his legal team are saying it's 'illegal' rather than a 'lie' is what is sticking in my throat. someone please correct me if i am wrong but he is the only one saying it's a lie?
anyway hopefully the truth comes out, if she is lying then she adds to the list of people making sick accusations that really can ruin someone and cause them to harm themselves, the flip side is if she is being honest then he adds to the list of arrogant, irresponsible disgusting people that would do something so low.
I am no fan of prostitution but surely where you can pay and its all on board why would anyone stoop so low to rape, i can't understand it.
once you here the words 'no' run for the hills, hit the brakes and reverse.
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Post by Tatty on Oct 5, 2018 15:53:32 GMT
So in a nutshell, roughly 4% of cases are deemed false. But there is evidence that those numbers are skewed. And in the vast majority of cases a false accusation doesn’t name a person, rather a stranger. However, only 4 in 10 women ever report being raped. The fact is, lives are being destroyed. And virtually all of them are the women who cannot find justice when they are sexually assaulted and raped. I have no idea whether or not Ronaldo did this. Neither do you. I’m going to let it play out and see what happens. I take issue with the idea that women are going around ruining people’s lives on some sort of whim, for revenge or money. It’s false and the statistics simply do not back it up. For me it's not about False allegations. Rarely are the women lying about this stuff. The issue is unless there's violence involved it's virtually impossible to prove. There's two people in a room. One says one thing, one says another. It's bloody difficult. Quite often the rape itself is about at what point the woman withdraws consent or if she feels after that she didn't give consent or had too many drinks to properly consent. Murder is so much easier for an average person like you, me or a jury member to understand. Most importantly it can be not rape AND not false allegation.Please clarify? I may have mis-read what you're trying to say and don't want to get incendiary, just in case. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 16:37:39 GMT
For me it's not about False allegations. Rarely are the women lying about this stuff. The issue is unless there's violence involved it's virtually impossible to prove. There's two people in a room. One says one thing, one says another. It's bloody difficult. Quite often the rape itself is about at what point the woman withdraws consent or if she feels after that she didn't give consent or had too many drinks to properly consent. Murder is so much easier for an average person like you, me or a jury member to understand. Most importantly it can be not rape AND not false allegation.Please clarify? I may have mis-read what you're trying to say and don't want to get incendiary, just in case. Thank you. I hope he means just through lack of convicting evidence. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Oct 5, 2018 16:48:32 GMT
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Post by Tatty on Oct 5, 2018 16:52:28 GMT
Please clarify? I may have mis-read what you're trying to say and don't want to get incendiary, just in case. Thank you. I hope he means just through lack of convicting evidence. Ahh yeah. I totally mis-read it then. Soz Aus.  HUGS! |
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Post by Stew on Oct 5, 2018 17:27:00 GMT
Please clarify? I may have mis-read what you're trying to say and don't want to get incendiary, just in case. Thank you. I hope he means just through lack of convicting evidence. Yes this is how I read it. It’s true as well, as was proven in the statistics I mentioned earlier. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 4:54:48 GMT
Latest from Ronaldo's camp.
“The documents which purportedly contain statements by Mr. Ronaldo and have been reported in the media are complete fabrications. It is my understanding that in 2015, dozens of entities (including law firms) across many different industries throughout Europe were hacked and their electronic data was stolen and captured by a cybercriminal.
“This hacker attempted to sell this data, and one media outlet has now irresponsibly published the stolen documents, significant portions of which were altered and/or completely fabricated. To absolve any doubt, Mr. Ronaldo has always maintained, as he does today, that what occurred in 2009 in Las Vegas was consensual in nature.
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Post by Stew on Oct 11, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
Latest from Ronaldo's camp. “The documents which purportedly contain statements by Mr. Ronaldo and have been reported in the media are complete fabrications. It is my understanding that in 2015, dozens of entities (including law firms) across many different industries throughout Europe were hacked and their electronic data was stolen and captured by a cybercriminal. “This hacker attempted to sell this data, and one media outlet has now irresponsibly published the stolen documents, significant portions of which were altered and/or completely fabricated. To absolve any doubt, Mr. Ronaldo has always maintained, as he does today, that what occurred in 2009 in Las Vegas was consensual in nature. That should be easy enough to prove you’d have thought. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 11, 2018 10:37:36 GMT
Latest from Ronaldo's camp. “The documents which purportedly contain statements by Mr. Ronaldo and have been reported in the media are complete fabrications. It is my understanding that in 2015, dozens of entities (including law firms) across many different industries throughout Europe were hacked and their electronic data was stolen and captured by a cybercriminal. “This hacker attempted to sell this data, and one media outlet has now irresponsibly published the stolen documents, significant portions of which were altered and/or completely fabricated. To absolve any doubt, Mr. Ronaldo has always maintained, as he does today, that what occurred in 2009 in Las Vegas was consensual in nature. That should be easy enough to prove you’d have thought. Well if it's a fabrication then a jury can decide then surely? If he wants to prove his innocence? |
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Post by Stew on Oct 11, 2018 10:40:01 GMT
That should be easy enough to prove you’d have thought. Well if it's a fabrication then a jury can decide then surely? If he wants to prove his innocence? Would that even need to go before a jury? Surely it’d be already on record? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 10:43:15 GMT
Latest from Ronaldo's camp. “The documents which purportedly contain statements by Mr. Ronaldo and have been reported in the media are complete fabrications. It is my understanding that in 2015, dozens of entities (including law firms) across many different industries throughout Europe were hacked and their electronic data was stolen and captured by a cybercriminal. “This hacker attempted to sell this data, and one media outlet has now irresponsibly published the stolen documents, significant portions of which were altered and/or completely fabricated. To absolve any doubt, Mr. Ronaldo has always maintained, as he does today, that what occurred in 2009 in Las Vegas was consensual in nature. That should be easy enough to prove you’d have thought. You'd think so. Interestingly it was pointed out before this statement on reddit the he apparently said that she "jerked him off" which is a very American expression. I probably shouldn't speculate but this will roll for a long time. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 11, 2018 11:06:42 GMT
That should be easy enough to prove you’d have thought. Well if it's a fabrication then a jury can decide then surely? If he wants to prove his innocence? He doesn't need to prove his innocence. Someone else has to prove his guilt. And he hasn't even been charged with anything. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 11, 2018 12:33:03 GMT
Well if it's a fabrication then a jury can decide then surely? If he wants to prove his innocence? He doesn't need to prove his innocence. Someone else has to prove his guilt. And he hasn't even been charged with anything. Well obviously but I would expect both parties will want the situation resolving either way? |
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Post by JamBritRed on Oct 11, 2018 15:13:15 GMT
Well if it's a fabrication then a jury can decide then surely? If he wants to prove his innocence? He doesn't need to prove his innocence. Someone else has to prove his guilt. And he hasn't even been charged with anything. this no-longer exists Bestie. as a man from the legal profession i'd expect that you knew this. sometime around two years ago, the court of public opinion changed the burden of proof doctrine where it is not the accuser, especially in cases such as Ronaldo finds himself, who must prove their claim, but the accused who must prove their innocence. no consent forms, release forms, NDA forms, prior settlements, or legal judgments can absolve the accused of this. the new normal is, once accused, guilty as charged. thereafter go and die in some small hole never to be seen or heard from again. there is no redemption for the accused. no due course, just guilt these are serious times we live in bruh. |
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