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Post by Bestie on Oct 3, 2018 14:18:29 GMT
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Post by Karma on Oct 3, 2018 14:20:26 GMT
So did you or did you not pay money to this woman or not? If so, explain why ? |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Oct 3, 2018 14:45:54 GMT
So did you or did you not pay money to this woman or not? If so, explain why ? I think he admits he paid her. Don't think he's said why. I assume he'd just say that it was easier to pay her than to suffer the reputation damage that an (according to him, false) accusation would bring. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 3, 2018 15:38:12 GMT
So did you or did you not pay money to this woman or not? If so, explain why ? I didn't pay her anything. Don't even know the woman. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 20:39:20 GMT
So did you or did you not pay money to this woman or not? If so, explain why ? I think he admits he paid her. Don't think he's said why. I assume he'd just say that it was easier to pay her than to suffer the reputation damage that an (according to him, false) accusation would bring. I think most people would do it. 320000 to not have your sex life made public is wrll worth it for a millionaire. |
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Post by smithy2 on Oct 4, 2018 12:11:06 GMT
Portugal leave him out of the squad, interesting.
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Post by ratbag on Oct 4, 2018 15:40:12 GMT
Portugal leave him out of the squad, interesting. Sensible IMO...whatever the truth is, they will suggest that he won't be able to focus properly on the game...I say they are underestimating his single-mindedness... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 17:44:29 GMT
Hoping none of this true and its a case of wanting more money. I mean why wait 9 years to bring it back up again?
Too much of it doesn't make sense for me.
One hell of a serious accusation though, even being found innocent it can still have damning consequences.
Its a crime that needs tighter punishments aswell, especially for false claims if it turns out to be the case.
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Post by Karma on Oct 4, 2018 18:26:07 GMT
Hoping none of this true and its a case of wanting more money. I mean why wait 9 years to bring it back up again? Too much of it doesn't make sense for me. One hell of a serious accusation though, even being found innocent it can still have damning consequences. Its a crime that needs tighter punishments aswell, especially for false claims if it turns out to be the case. Those accused should have the same level of anonymity as the victims . Might be more difficult in high profile cases but do the wrongly accused ever shake off that 'tag?' |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 18:52:03 GMT
Hoping none of this true and its a case of wanting more money. I mean why wait 9 years to bring it back up again? Too much of it doesn't make sense for me. One hell of a serious accusation though, even being found innocent it can still have damning consequences. Its a crime that needs tighter punishments aswell, especially for false claims if it turns out to be the case. Those accused should have the same level of anonymity as the victims . Might be more difficult in high profile cases but do the wrongly accused ever shake off that 'tag?' As soon as that claim is thrown against somebody, it sticks with them regardless of the outcome. Its a sad thing to see when people are falsely accused, whatever the reason for it. I agree with the anonymity of it, at the end of the day its supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but its a shame that people think, act or judge before all the facts are collected. Too many people falsely claim and it ruins lives, yet they seem to completely get away with it and are able to move on. Not saying Ronaldo is innocent because all of the facts haven't surfaced yet, but he's not guilty yet either. Personally it doesn't add up that she's waited 9 years to bring it all back up again. Also although a settlement was agreed why settle for £350k (I think that was the amount) knowing his fortune you could fight and get 10x that amount with ease. Just doesnt make sense to me. You'd also want to see them punished surely and not get compensation for a crime like that. All seems odd as fuck. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 5, 2018 6:23:14 GMT
Stanford university Myths about false accusation Myths: “Lots of women cry rape when they regret sex.” “Women accuse celebrities and athletes of rape all the time for money and attention.” “The definition of ‘rape’ is so loose these days – women can claim anything is rape and get away with it.” “They didn’t have enough evidence to prosecute, so she was probably lying.” “If she was really raped she would have called the police.” Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes. Put another way, we are much more likely to disbelieve a woman if she says she was raped than if she says she was robbed, but for no good reason. On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates) www.vice.com/en_us/article/zm9qa3/where-the-idea-of-false-rape-accusations-really-comes-fromwww.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.htmlwww.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/false-allegations/ |
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Post by Stew on Oct 5, 2018 6:26:59 GMT
The Conversation
Why didn’t these women speak up sooner? This was asked time and time again during the recent public furore around sexual harassment, violence and abuse. Underlying the question is a persistent uncertainty about the credibility of victims – a concern with identifying what is true and what is false.
As women speak out, some have been met with explicit counter accusations that their descriptions are untrue. Others have been served with a defamation case which has resulted in the Solidarity Not Silence campaign to raise funds to fight the ensuing legal battle.
What’s clear is that the spectre of false allegation continues to dog the reporting of sexual violence. There remains a public impression that false allegations are common and that innocent people suffer as the result of being wrongfully accused.
The evidence on false allegations fails to support public anxiety that untrue reporting is common. While the statistics on false allegations vary – and refer most often to rape and sexual assault – they are invariably and consistently low. Research for the Home Office suggests that only 4% of cases of sexual violence reported to the UK police are found or suspected to be false. Studies carried out in Europe and in the US indicate rates of between 2% and 6%.
It’s important to recognise that even official statistics on false reporting can and have been inflated by other factors. Sometimes police record cases as “no crime” or “unfounded”. This can happen when it’s difficult to attain sufficient corroborating evidence. There is, however, a big difference between the inability to demonstrate in court that an offence has happened and claiming that these cases are false. These sorts of cases have nevertheless been conflated with false allegations.
False allegations have also been conflated with other kinds sexual violence complaints that have been logged as “no crime”. For example, sometimes people contact the police because they are worried that a crime might have been committed. Sometimes these concerns are raised with the police by a third party (a friend, relative or partner). Sometimes people contact the police because they have no memory of a period of time and are worried something may have been done to them. People often express relief when the results of medical examinations show no evidence of assault. These are not cases of false allegation. Despite this, there hasn’t always been a way of distinguishing these cases from false complaints when logging incidents as “no crime”.
Police forces and politicians are also under considerable pressure to lower crime rates. The “no crime” category can be used to remove difficult cases from the crime statistics. In the UK, when certain police forces have had their “no crime” rate monitored for consistency with Home Office guidance, the figures have dropped. This suggests they might have been reporting figures inaccurately before being monitored.
What is also infrequently talked about is that the rates for false allegations of sexual violence are no higher than those reported in other categories of crime. Even so, it’s fair to say that victims of other crimes (such as theft or burglary) are not so routinely treated with suspicion as are the victims of sexual violence.
A popular response to evidence on the rarity of false allegations is that even if they are uncommon, they do happen. This is taken as reason enough to be on guard. However, research suggests that the majority of false claims do not name an alleged perpetrator – they’re more likely to be relatively vague accusations about a stranger. False allegations also tend to be identified very early on in the investigative process, often by an admission from the complainant. Given this, the widespread concern that false allegations are rife, that they damage the life and reputation of the innocent, is often a red herring.
The bigger question
The weight and importance given to the issue of false allegation is surprising given how prevalent sexual violence is. For example, a recent large-scale study surveying 42,000 women found that up to 21% of women in the EU had experienced sexual harassment in the preceding 12 months. Estimates for the UK were higher at 25%. It’s likely that these figures are an underestimate given that research also suggests women often choose not to call their experiences “sexual harassment”.
This has also been found to be the case with other kinds of sexual violence. Indeed, women choose not to label their experiences using the language of sexual violence, even when their responses on questionnaires clearly marry with official definitions of it.
The reasons for this are complex and varied. Some women see their experiences as a normal part of everyday life – something that they have they simply have to deal with. Others worry about the repercussions if they do report incidents. This includes the potential impact on their professional standing, their ability to get work, their relationships and their personal reputation.
The importance given to the issue of false allegations diverts attention away from questions that are ultimately more instructive for preventing sexual violence. And in fact, asking why reports of sexual harassment and violence are treated with suspicion may bring us closer to understanding what we can do to lift the barriers to reporting and seeking successful redress. It will also ultimately bring us closer to understanding the conditions in which sexual harassment and violence are enabled.
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Post by Stew on Oct 5, 2018 6:28:56 GMT
So in a nutshell, roughly 4% of cases are deemed false. But there is evidence that those numbers are skewed. And in the vast majority of cases a false accusation doesn’t name a person, rather a stranger.
However, only 4 in 10 women ever report being raped. The fact is, lives are being destroyed. And virtually all of them are the women who cannot find justice when they are sexually assaulted and raped.
I have no idea whether or not Ronaldo did this. Neither do you. I’m going to let it play out and see what happens. I take issue with the idea that women are going around ruining people’s lives on some sort of whim, for revenge or money. It’s false and the statistics simply do not back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:48:13 GMT
So in a nutshell, roughly 4% of cases are deemed false. But there is evidence that those numbers are skewed. And in the vast majority of cases a false accusation doesn’t name a person, rather a stranger. However, only 4 in 10 women ever report being raped. The fact is, lives are being destroyed. And virtually all of them are the women who cannot find justice when they are sexually assaulted and raped. I have no idea whether or not Ronaldo did this. Neither do you. I’m going to let it play out and see what happens. I take issue with the idea that women are going around ruining people’s lives on some sort of whim, for revenge or money. It’s false and the statistics simply do not back it up. For me it's not about False allegations. Rarely are the women lying about this stuff. The issue is unless there's violence involved it's virtually impossible to prove. There's two people in a room. One says one thing, one says another. It's bloody difficult. Quite often the rape itself is about at what point the woman withdraws consent or if she feels after that she didn't give consent or had too many drinks to properly consent. Murder is so much easier for an average person like you, me or a jury member to understand. Most importantly it can be not rape AND not false allegation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 10:05:01 GMT
Horrible subject
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