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Post by moxdevil on Jun 1, 2010 22:42:18 GMT
He might indeed. But we are talking about a World Cup. Bent hasn't scored an international goal, has played no minutes of any of the qualifiers but yet should be picked ahead of a proven player that does a job for the national team that the coach wants him to do, based on the fact he scored 24 goals in the premier league last season. Forgive me for going along with Capello on this one.
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Post by moxdevil on Jun 1, 2010 22:44:11 GMT
And i'll repeat
He's clearly not stuck to the rule that he'd only pick those in form and fallen back on a few players that he feels comfortable with regardless of their club form or whether they've been injured. Personally i don't have a problem with this because the World Cup is not a place for experimentation. If we flop for whatever reason that will be used as a stick against him.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 1, 2010 22:48:12 GMT
I can see why he picked Heskey, but its the same as going back to the Lampard-Gerrard midfield against Japan - it just proves that he was bullshitting on giving outsiders a chance and has played it safe in some matters.
bent could have been englands schillachi.....
it doesnt matter anyway. If heskey,crouch,defoe, lampard and gerrard fail to score in the whole tournament, the blame will fall on a United player
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Post by moxdevil on Jun 1, 2010 22:53:42 GMT
I'll just add that as you get old like me you put more of a value on experience.  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 1, 2010 22:55:50 GMT
haha...yeah.
i could be wrong, and Heskey could outscore all of them. But Id say Crouch will be Rooneys partner if he plays 2 strikers, so we will have to see. Only 11 days to find out
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 23:09:52 GMT
Capello's picked him based on previous England performances with him in the side, but fuck, it was 2 years ago that England were playing so well with Heskey in the team, a lot can happen to a player in 2 years.
In 2008 Heskey still had movement, pace and power and did a good job, and Rooney clearly liked playing with him, but now, Heskey looks slow, overweight, and as a result his movement is nowhere near as good. He has gone downhill fast since he hit 30, as such big men tend to do.
It should be Rooney as he has played for us this season, up the top on his tod.
Crouch scores for fun against poor teams and as such fully justifies his place in the squad, but England never seem to play well as a team when he starts, and he should be a plan b on the bench.
Defoe could get starts, but again I'd have him as a sub, if we need a goal late on and bring him and Crouch on, I think that would scare a few teams based on Defoe's speed and finishing and Crouch's hight.
That still leaves 2 places in the squad, and I think they should have gone to Bent and Agbonlahor.
Bent can't do much more than score goals, and he's done it all season, yet again, just like he did at Ipswich, Charlton, and even had a decent record at Spurs.
And though I'm not a big fan of Agbonlahor, he's very quick, can score goals, though not a lot, and pretty direct and could be another good option on the bench.
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Post by ericactor1 on Jun 1, 2010 23:32:40 GMT
If he is going on current form then why on earth is Gerrard on the plane? He's has his worst season to date. And he picked phillips over Johnson, Johnson has kept phillips out of citeh starting eleven all most of the season. He's going by players international and club reputation which I think will prove a fatal mistake.
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Post by Rob on Jun 2, 2010 17:31:10 GMT
Remind me again what Capello said about picking players for the WC based on domestic form? Who was the 2nd highest english scorer this season? And given that he has only played 6 england games in 5 years in which he has started 3 and come on as sub 3 times and in those 3 starts has never been allowed to finish a full 90 mins(including the Brazil game where he was hauled off after 54 minutes), i think its hardly a good base to rule him out. Oh, and he is only 2 career goals behind Heskey in 339 games compared to heskeys 641...some striker heskey is : No problem mate, I am old enough to remember when both goalkeepers scored from free-kicks or penalties. Chilavert scored a grand total of 62 goals in 546 matches, including 48 goals in 341 games. To the other poster, whether it isn't in open play or not, the comparison was made because Heskey is a full-time striker, and we might as well employ Gary Neville to be a striker, such is the use of Emile Heskey in the England squad. How many chances does Heskey need to really make an impact, yet because Darren Bent has only played a couple of times for England, he isn't good enough....where is the logic in Capello's thinking? Imagine this scenario, its like Sir Alex Ferguson playing Berbatov up front with Rooney in a champions league final, and leaving someone with potential, someone who has really hit it off with Rooney, off the team sheet. Capello has ruined our chances. |
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Post by Rob on Jun 2, 2010 17:34:10 GMT
I'll just add that as you get old like me you put more of a value on experience. Let us recall Teddy Sheringham then into the England side, or even Gary Linekar. If you are as old as I am, you will remember these guys. Hell, why not go back to Geoff Hurst, Bobby Charlton and Jimmy Greaves. The last person that was picked for the England team who was a prolific goalscorer was Alan Shearer, who was brilliant in the old days. BUT WHY THE HELL HESKEY!!!! |
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Post by chrispiano on Jun 2, 2010 17:45:16 GMT
Imagine this scenario, its like Sir Alex Ferguson playing Berbatov up front with Rooney in a champions league final, and leaving someone with potential, someone who has really hit it off with Rooney, off the team sheet. Capello has ruined our chances. Yeah, except that it is absolutely nothing like that. |
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Post by Rob on Jun 2, 2010 18:19:17 GMT
Imagine this scenario, its like Sir Alex Ferguson playing Berbatov up front with Rooney in a champions league final, and leaving someone with potential, someone who has really hit it off with Rooney, off the team sheet. Capello has ruined our chances. Yeah, except that it is absolutely nothing like that. Hey, I spent 90 minutes getting home on a Parisien train(RER B which runs past the Stade de France), and this happens every single day, so please forgive me for the stupid comparison. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jun 3, 2010 10:25:45 GMT
Experience of not, Heskey offers nothing. Just ask any Villa fan.
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Post by Raf's Hairdryer Treatment on Jun 6, 2010 11:51:10 GMT
I agree with many that 4-5-1 is the best way to go because we've seen it brings out the best in England's best player. But if Fabio decides to go with 2 up top then I prefer Crouch because he offers at least a little goal threat, but him and Heskey will essentially be sent out to do exactly the same job.
I assume these will be plans A and B... and both fall apart if Rooney's injured.
In that case I would have no idea what Capello would do. I can't see any of the strikers (including Bent) play up front by themselves so; who would be the best partnership available?
Fucked if I know. Any ideas people?
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Post by Rob on Jun 6, 2010 13:04:36 GMT
I agree with many that 4-5-1 is the best way to go because we've seen it brings out the best in England's best player. But if Fabio decides to go with 2 up top then I prefer Crouch because he offers at least a little goal threat, but him and Heskey will essentially be sent out to do exactly the same job. I assume these will be plans A and B... and both fall apart if Rooney's injured. In that case I would have no idea what Capello would do. I can't see any of the strikers (including Bent) play up front by themselves so; who would be the best partnership available? Fucked if I know. Any ideas people? None whatsoever!!!! I think Capello is going to get it in the neck should England fail, by choosing Heskey over Bent. I have already stated that, it has been a long time since Rooney has operated at 100%. I think he is operating at a great deal less, plus having just recovered from a bad injury, it could really be playing on his mind and as such, he is holding back. Can't blame him, we don't know how the pitches are going to be in South Africa(can't be any worse than Wembley.) We will now have to look at our options and see if our midfielders have got what it takes to score in a top tournament. Gerrard: 16 goals in 80 games. Has scored against Germany, Croatia twice and Sweden who have relatively good pedigrees in the world cup. Lampard: 20 goals in 78 games. He has scored against Croatia many times, France, Portugal, Germany who again have good pedigrees in the world cup. I guess all hopes rests on Rooneys shoulders once more. |
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Post by 20Times on Jun 6, 2010 16:12:45 GMT
Experience of not, Heskey offers nothing. Just ask any Villa fan. True words! Heskey is pure horse shit. |
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