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Post by Rob on Jun 1, 2010 16:57:12 GMT
Nothing much to say, but apart from choosing a player who is physically strong yet, can't score from 1 yard. Does England have a chance should any of the other players apart from Rooney are injured?
We need to pray to God that Heskey does shine, and his goalscoring record isn't great at all.
I will leave it up to you to decide.
Robert
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Post by 20Times on Jun 1, 2010 17:07:33 GMT
I chose the 3rd option. A player (Striker!) who scored 3 goals in a season being in the national side as oppose to someone whose scored 20+ in front of an average midfield is a complete injustice. I think Capello is a great manager and he's done a marvelous job, but I just can't get around to why someone as shocking as Heskey makes the side.
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Post by Rob on Jun 1, 2010 17:14:05 GMT
I chose the 3rd option. A player (Striker!) who scored 3 goals in a season being in the national side as oppose to someone whose scored 20+ in front of an average midfield is a complete injustice. I think Capello is a great manager and he's done a marvelous job, but I just can't get around to why someone as shocking as Heskey makes the side. If we take the missed chance by Bent against Japan, that would be normal because it is an international game and I guess nerves took over. Whereas if that had been Heskey, he would have missed, not because of nerves, but because he is absolute horses manure. I think Crouch, despite the fact that he played for the dippers a long time ago, is a good bet, because I am pretty certain that if he can keep his discipline and win his headers cleanly, then Rooney has a 90% chance of getting on the end of those headers, to go on to score. |
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Post by 20Times on Jun 1, 2010 17:17:06 GMT
I chose the 3rd option. A player (Striker!) who scored 3 goals in a season being in the national side as oppose to someone whose scored 20+ in front of an average midfield is a complete injustice. I think Capello is a great manager and he's done a marvelous job, but I just can't get around to why someone as shocking as Heskey makes the side. If we take the missed chance by Bent against Japan, that would be normal because it is an international game and I guess nerves took over. Whereas if that had been Heskey, he would have missed, not because of nerves, but because he is absolute horses manure. I think Crouch, despite the fact that he played for the dippers a long time ago, is a good bet, because I am pretty certain that if he can keep his discipline and win his headers cleanly, then Rooney has a 90% chance of getting on the end of those headers, to go on to score. Yeah, Crouch does a much better job than Heskey, with Crouch now its just seeing if he can score against the big boys, he's done it against teams like Egypt or Jamaica, but now we will see if he can do it against the Spanish or the Germans etc. |
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Post by Madds Tim on Jun 1, 2010 17:17:30 GMT
Year Team Goals (Apps)
2009– Aston Villa 45 (5)
At most there is 7 games in the world cup and Heskey scores a goal every 9 games judging from his form this season, and slightly over every eight games in his international career
Year Team Goals (Apps)
1999– England 58 (7)
Maybe by law of averages he's due about 20 goals cos he's been so fucking shite, that's the only conceivable reason whyCapello would have taken him.
Kevin Davies is a better forward than Heskey, just cos Heskey's played for England for a long while before Capello chose him, if he had never played international footy then he wouldnt have had a sniff of getting to South Africa.
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Post by 20Times on Jun 1, 2010 17:19:45 GMT
Kevin Davies is a better forward than Heskey, just cos Heskey's played for England for a long while before Capello chose him, if he had never played international footy then he wouldnt have had a sniff of getting to South Africa.My Dad's a better forward than Heskey. |
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Post by moxdevil on Jun 1, 2010 17:20:41 GMT
Heskey acts as a good foil for Rooney as shown in our successful qualifying campaign. He doesn't score many goals but then that is not his job for England nor for Villa. Bent has scored 20+ goals for Sunderland but has hardly featured at international level so would be a bigger risk.
I'm more comfortable with Heskey alongside Rooney than any of the others.
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Post by Rob on Jun 1, 2010 17:25:29 GMT
Year Team Goals (Apps)2009– Aston Villa 45 (5) At most there is 7 games in the world cup and Heskey scores a goal every 9 games judging from his form this season, and slightly over every eight games in his international career Year Team Goals (Apps)1999– England 58 (7) Maybe by law of averages he's due about 20 goals cos he's been so fucking shite, that's the only conceivable reason whyCapello would have taken him. Kevin Davies is a better forward than Heskey, just cos Heskey's played for England for a long while before Capello chose him, if he had never played international footy then he wouldnt have had a sniff of getting to South Africa. Some good points made, although I am inclined to say that Crouch would be better suited feeding Rooney with his headers because of his height advantage. If Rooney can read the headers correctly, then he has a chance. As one poster mentioned just earlier about Kevin Davies, now that is a name that would strike fear into even the best defenders in the world. He is the ultimate nagging itch that no-one can get rid of. He forces errors out of great defenders. He does foul a great deal, but he does win his fair share. So, I think a big shout for Kevin Davies, just a shame that Heskey is going. |
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Post by chrispiano on Jun 1, 2010 17:36:55 GMT
I've no problem with Heskey going and it wasn't a surprise to see him go, Capello didn't try Bent out earlier so Heskey had to go, giving Bent a half against Japan was just to say 'he had his chance' but he never really did. Crouch does not and cannot operate in the same way for Rooney as Heskey does. It's time people got over Heskey's scoring record and realised that he's in the team for his other qualities. He is much better at holding the ball up than Crouch, is not so careless with his elbows and allows Rooney to play as the centre forward, whereas Crouch makes Rooney play as the second striker.
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Post by 20Times on Jun 1, 2010 17:39:38 GMT
I've no problem with Heskey going and it wasn't a surprise to see him go, Capello didn't try Bent out earlier so Heskey had to go, giving Bent a half against Japan was just to say 'he had his chance' but he never really did. Crouch does not and cannot operate in the same way for Rooney as Heskey does. It's time people got over Heskey's scoring record and realised that he's in the team for his other qualities. He is much better at holding the ball up than Crouch, is not so careless with his elbows and allows Rooney to play as the centre forward, whereas Crouch makes Rooney play as the second striker. Well what else can he do apart from hold the ball up? He only had two assists in the league this year. We need a striker to either score goals or create goals, not stand there "holding the ball up" I'd like to see him hold the ball up against defenders like Lucio or Vidic. |
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Post by chrispiano on Jun 1, 2010 17:48:49 GMT
To be honest, in my eyes, Defoe, Crouch and Heskey won't be played outside of the groups, maybe as late substitutions out of desperation/giving Rooney a rest as the game is won. We should stick to 4-5-1 with Rooney every game after the group stages.
If Rooney is injured, we're fucked but we knew that anyway, having Darren Bent in the squad wouldn't have changed it.
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Post by 20Times on Jun 1, 2010 17:51:29 GMT
To be honest, in my eyes, Defoe, Crouch and Heskey won't be played outside of the groups, maybe as late substitutions out of desperation/giving Rooney a rest as the game is won. We should stick to 4-5-1 with Rooney every game after the group stages. If Rooney is injured, we're fucked but we knew that anyway, having Darren Bent in the squad wouldn't have changed it. Good point, Capello should have Joe Cole just feeding Rooney like in the second half against Japan with a 5 man midfield much more effective. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 1, 2010 18:18:09 GMT
as a mate of mine said on facebook - "Emile Heskey - striker - 58 caps, 8 goals. Rene Higuita - keeper, 68 caps - 8 goals. Jose Luis Chilavert - keeper - 74 caps, 8 goals... surely he cant go?"
Guess that answers that....Bent the 2nd highest scoring englishman in the PL after the Roonster and Heskey goes to the WC.......what odds on England losing on pens in the QF??
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Post by Rob on Jun 1, 2010 18:19:27 GMT
I've no problem with Heskey going and it wasn't a surprise to see him go, Capello didn't try Bent out earlier so Heskey had to go, giving Bent a half against Japan was just to say 'he had his chance' but he never really did. Crouch does not and cannot operate in the same way for Rooney as Heskey does. It's time people got over Heskey's scoring record and realised that he's in the team for his other qualities. He is much better at holding the ball up than Crouch, is not so careless with his elbows and allows Rooney to play as the centre forward, whereas Crouch makes Rooney play as the second striker. Well what else can he do apart from hold the ball up? He only had two assists in the league this year. We need a striker to either score goals or create goals, not stand there "holding the ball up" I'd like to see him hold the ball up against defenders like Lucio or Vidic. He cannot jump to save his life either. This is why we need Crouch there, to outjump the likes of Lucio or Vidic. Imagine if Crouch was actually capable of jumping these guys by 8-9 inches every time. It would be great just to see him winning these challenges without using his damn elbows, which is the only negative I see in him. |
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Post by Rob on Jun 1, 2010 18:32:37 GMT
as a mate of mine said on facebook - "Emile Heskey - striker - 58 caps, 8 goals. Rene Higuita - keeper, 68 caps - 8 goals. Jose Luis Chilavert - keeper - 74 caps, 8 goals... surely he cant go?" Guess that answers that....Bent the 2nd highest scoring englishman in the PL after the Roonster and Heskey goes to the WC.......what odds on England losing on pens in the QF?? Well, Fabio only picks those who have been on form this season. Well, let me see what that gives us as far as England is concerned. Joe Hart has had a good season. Carrick, very poor this season and has started either passing backwards or sidewards. Gerrard has been injured most of the season and therefore has no real-form, idem for Joe Cole whose ability I don't doubt at all, but he has been injured for a long period of time. Heskey is of course a no-brainer to the England squad, and if Capello wants us to lose, he has gone the right way about it. |
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