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Post by irishredmufc on Jun 24, 2010 9:36:23 GMT
I know he had a very poor season for us and hasnt played a competetive game in months, but does anyone else think he deserves a chance against the germans sunday? Carrick can play Barry's role, with the only difference being carrick can pass and barry cant. The amount of times barry gave away the ball yesterday was a joke. But capello wont drop him cos he seems he rates him very highly... one of the best managers in the world? d ont make me laugh.
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Post by icelandicdevil on Jun 24, 2010 9:51:44 GMT
Can't see him give an out of form player his first game of the tournament in such a huge game, and I don't think he should either. Barry was awful against Slovenia, but Carrick was poor in pretty much every match he played last season., so I can't see why he should be expected to be able to outperform Barry against zee germans.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 24, 2010 9:52:45 GMT
Depends which way you look at it. capello and others made such a song and dance over taking Barry and needing him to be fit that if they drop him now its gonna look like they were wrong.
At the end of it all, every player that went deserves at least one game - Defoe took his chance well yesterday, as did Upson - but no doubt that scouse cunt carragher will be straight back in the first team at Upsons expense(please dear god let him fuck up big time)
I'd say stick Barry and Carrick in the centre and fuck the waddling rent-boy on the bench. As much as i hate to say it Gerrard has been vastly more effective than Lump(of)lard so far.
I'd be very surprised if Heskey wasnt back in the starting line-up too at Defoes expense. Maybe start Rooney from the bench - hes been abit off colour so far, so maybe taking the pressure off him might help and stick Crouch on with Defoe from the start. Rooney would be dying to play and his energy and desire to score would prove a handful in the 2nd half.
Course, if Capello did stick Lampard and Rooney on the bench against the germans, there would be uproar.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 24, 2010 10:00:16 GMT
Can't see him give an out of form player his first game of the tournament in such a huge game, and I don't think he should either. Barry was awful against Slovenia, but Carrick was poor in pretty much every match he played last season., so I can't see why he should be expected to be able to outperform Barry against zee germans. If we are going on last seasons form then thats Carragher,Gerrard,Heskey,Carrick,Johnson,Green,James and J.Cole out of the team at least. Everyone expected Rooney,Ronaldo and Messi to destroy everything in their path this summer based on their season form and it hasnt happened really - well, Messi is the only one so far to carry part of his form over really, but none have been as devastating as they were for their clubs. Its an international tournament - club form is irrelavant really. Look at Podolski - his club form makes Heskey look like Messi, but his international form is fantastic. |
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Post by irishredmufc on Jun 24, 2010 10:35:21 GMT
Can't see him give an out of form player his first game of the tournament in such a huge game, and I don't think he should either. Barry was awful against Slovenia, but Carrick was poor in pretty much every match he played last season., so I can't see why he should be expected to be able to outperform Barry against zee germans. If we are going on last seasons form then thats Carragher,Gerrard,Heskey,Carrick,Johnson,Green,James and J.Cole out of the team at least. Everyone expected Rooney,Ronaldo and Messi to destroy everything in their path this summer based on their season form and it hasnt happened really - well, Messi is the only one so far to carry part of his form over really, but none have been as devastating as they were for their clubs. Its an international tournament - club form is irrelavant really. Look at Podolski - his club form makes Heskey look like Messi, but his international form is fantastic. Yeah spot on. Carrick can see a pass that barry,lampard or gerrard can't. |
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Post by NR7 on Jun 24, 2010 11:51:09 GMT
Carrick has had a poor season, yes, but I doubt that he could play any worse than Barry. With Carrick, one can atleast hope that he can see & pick a pass which messers Lampturd and Barry seem incapable of.. Read somewhere that Schweinsteiger may not be fit in which case England will have the chance to win the midfield battle and the best way would be Carrick & Barry with Gerrard as the AM.. Carrick replacing that cuntard (borrowed  who has been so anonymous that you did have to check the team sheet to believe he even played.. I agree with SET that dropping Barry would be admitting that his selection was a mistake.. It will be very interesting to see if Capello persists with Defoe & Upson both of whom deserve to play.. Rooney's poor form not withstanding, he has to be picked for the X-factor. Imagine the psychological boost Germany will get knowing England's best player is not even starting.. |
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Post by icelandicdevil on Jun 24, 2010 11:52:36 GMT
Can't see him give an out of form player his first game of the tournament in such a huge game, and I don't think he should either. Barry was awful against Slovenia, but Carrick was poor in pretty much every match he played last season., so I can't see why he should be expected to be able to outperform Barry against zee germans. If we are going on last seasons form then thats Carragher,Gerrard,Heskey,Carrick,Johnson,Green,James and J.Cole out of the team at least. Everyone expected Rooney,Ronaldo and Messi to destroy everything in their path this summer based on their season form and it hasnt happened really - well, Messi is the only one so far to carry part of his form over really, but none have been as devastating as they were for their clubs. Its an international tournament - club form is irrelavant really. Look at Podolski - his club form makes Heskey look like Messi, but his international form is fantastic. It's huge game, and going with a player whose confidence seems shot after having an awful season, and finding himself on the bench at the end of it, and hoping against hope that he somehow regains form in this one crucial game is bad management imo. Barry was poor vs Slovenia, but was one of few to play decent against USA. If Barry plays like shit again, then sub Carrick in. Not that it matters much, Ozil will run rings around both of them. |
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Post by NR7 on Jun 24, 2010 12:01:20 GMT
IMO, it will be more of a gamble picking Carrick but it has to be at the expense of Lampard.. The backlash and repercussions should it not work out is too great meaning Capello will more or less stick with the same team..
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 24, 2010 12:04:08 GMT
thats the big problem - capello is damned either way.
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Post by NR7 on Jun 24, 2010 13:20:28 GMT
Yeah, pretty much.. He brought this upon himself by wrong team selection & tactics.. The other three teams were no more than decent and England should have qualified as group winners..
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 24, 2010 13:24:30 GMT
lampard gets an awful lot of stick on this forum, lets remember he's the one who had the great season not gerrard. Really why doesn't anyone recommend gerrard to be dropped.
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Post by Stew on Jun 24, 2010 13:34:21 GMT
Lampard has been awful for England in this World Cup John. It's not an anti-Chelsea thing for me. Gerrard has actually played much better than his Liverpool form so far. But Lampard has been dreadful. In part it was playing him and Gerrard together in the centre and he seemed to suffer most. But apart from that ball to Rooney yesterday he did little of note. He's a fine player but is really struggling. Rooney's troubles have masked this so far, but he's contributing a lot more than Lampard. He won't be dropped though.
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Post by ericactor1 on Jun 24, 2010 13:40:29 GMT
This is a topic which I have argued a lot since the tournament started.
Barry for me has given nothing to the England team. He has been poor. Quite frankly I don't think he is fully fit. His passing has been very poor, and his defensive player has not been great.
Carrick, ok he has had his worse season for us this year, but every player not matter how bad of form they are in at club level always raise there game when playing for their country in a major tournament.
I think if Carrick had of been included he would have been a much better addition, I'm sure if you asked Wazza or Defoe who would they prefer, they would say Carrick. His distribution of the ball is exactly what England need. His killer passes would supply both Rooney and Defoe with a lot more goal scoring chances.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 24, 2010 13:41:16 GMT
John - you might want to look at my 2nd post where i said that Gerrard shouldnt even be in the team, along with a few other players. But he is and he has been better than lampard.
And the same would be happening for any other manager if he was England manager. If he didnt take lampard/gerrard/whoever he would be in shit. If he had done what capello has - he would be in shit. Its a lose-lose situation for any England manager, unless they win the cup.
People talk about the poisoned chalice of whoever follows SAF as United manager - but the England managers job is that regardless of who you are. Nothing other than winning the cup will do - ever. Thats a major problem to anyone who takes the job and its a hiding to nothing straight away.
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Post by icelandicdevil on Jun 24, 2010 16:35:48 GMT
This is a topic which I have argued a lot since the tournament started. Barry for me has given nothing to the England team. He has been poor. Quite frankly I don't think he is fully fit. His passing has been very poor, and his defensive player has not been great. Carrick, ok he has had his worse season for us this year, but every player not matter how bad of form they are in at club level always raise there game when playing for their country in a major tournament. I think if Carrick had of been included he would have been a much better addition, I'm sure if you asked Wazza or Defoe who would they prefer, they would say Carrick. His distribution of the ball is exactly what England need. His killer passes would supply both Rooney and Defoe with a lot more goal scoring chances. I'm sorry if I seem a bit harsh on Carrick in this thread, but killer passes and Carrick don't belong in the same sentence. For someone who is supposed to be such a good passer, he sure has few assists to his name. But his passing is definitely better than Barry's, and his positioning is also very good most of the time. His focus and confidence however are questionable. |
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