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Post by Stew on Jan 28, 2012 16:09:40 GMT
DeGea was the best keeper at the Euro U21's last summer BY A MILE. There isn't a keeper his age, bar Joe Hart that is even close to him. He's made some howlers but his ability is clear to se. His shot stopping is miles above average. His kicking is outstanding. His weakness, like most keepers from his part of the world, is coming for crosses. That's where most of his mistakes have come from.
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Jan 28, 2012 16:10:13 GMT
He needs to pick one of them now until the end of the season and stop fucking about. This. |
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Post by redom on Jan 28, 2012 16:12:50 GMT
Lindegaard's taken his place in the first team on merit at the moment but that doesn't make De Gea a bad keeper, Welbeck probably wasn't far behind him in terms of level of performance today yet because they play at opposite ends of the field he gets away with a dodgy performance every now and again where as De Gea doesn't. Don't forget this is his first season in the Premier League at 21 years of age, if you expected him to be the finished product already then you have unrealistic expectations. I never mentioned his performance today. Nor did I say I expected him to be the finished product at 21. Please read my post again. I'm merely questioning what aspect of his game makes him stand out from other 21 year old keepers/contenders for our number 1 spot. I was taking todays peformance as an example of people opinions of him, he had a bad game today but so did another young player but only one of them is heavily criticised. If you can't see what attributes he has that mark him out as a potentially world class keeper for yourself then what point is me telling you in text? it's not going to make you come to some sudden realisation so I'm not going to bother. As far as I'm concerned he's a very talented young keeper who's come into a new league and shown that he's got a lot to learn but also that if we show some patience and accept that he's going to make mistakes and lack consistency while he develops then in the long run we could have a keeper who will grace our first team for over a decade. |
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Post by ginger18legend on Jan 28, 2012 16:21:42 GMT
I never mentioned his performance today. Nor did I say I expected him to be the finished product at 21. Please read my post again. I'm merely questioning what aspect of his game makes him stand out from other 21 year old keepers/contenders for our number 1 spot. As far as I'm concerned he's a very talented young keeper who's come into a new league and shown that he's got a lot to learn but also that if we show some patience and accept that he's going to make mistakes and lack consistency while he develops then in the long run we could have a keeper who will grace our first team for over a decade. I really hope you're right. I also really hope we aren't grooming him to turn into Casillas'/Valdes' replacement! Stewart - I personally think his kicking is overrated. He tries to be too precise and ends up kicking the ball into touch quite often. I used only above average for shot stopping because he has made a couple of gaffes there too which led to goals. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jan 28, 2012 17:46:25 GMT
Its the managers fault for starting him, he looked rattled from the outset.
Yes he's young and raw but he'll never make a United goal keeper, his confidence is deteriorating with every game game he plays.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 28, 2012 18:13:17 GMT
Holy Hannah you people!! He's been here 6 months out of what we would hope would be a 20 year career. VDS had 4 years at a no pressure club getting used to English football before we bothered to go get him and he still dropped a fair few clangers. Yeah DDG was at fault today, big deal. He'll make mistakes and learn from them. That happens with young players. At first it was long range shooting, which he's sorted out, now it's crosses and the physicality which he'll sort out next. Patience!
By the way, I don't remember any voice of descension in the summer when we bought him. In fact you lot were piling on because his transfer was dragging and people thought we couldn't attract top talent anymore.
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Post by ericactor1 on Jan 28, 2012 18:33:23 GMT
Thats a greta reassurance whitenight, we'll forget about trophies for the next five years or so until this guy matures into something which resembles a goal keeper.
I don't mind standing up for a player who shows me something but this guy has shown nothing since coming.
He's been at the heart of us going out of the champions league and now the FA cup. He is showing no attributes that would make you think he's going to be a top keeper, christ Ben Foster showed more promise!
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Post by ginger18legend on Jan 28, 2012 18:52:18 GMT
Lets just wait a couple of years for him to come good then. If that means no trophies and dropping out of the top four, so be it. At least we'll have a reliable keeper at the end of it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 19:27:56 GMT
Holy Hannah you people!! He's been here 6 months out of what we would hope would be a 20 year career. VDS had 4 years at a no pressure club getting used to English football before we bothered to go get him and he still dropped a fair few clangers. Yeah DDG was at fault today, big deal. He'll make mistakes and learn from them. That happens with young players. At first it was long range shooting, which he's sorted out, now it's crosses and the physicality which he'll sort out next. Patience! By the way, I don't remember any voice of descension in the summer when we bought him. In fact you lot were piling on because his transfer was dragging and people thought we couldn't attract top talent anymore. Totally agree with this statement. Although I can see how some people are frustrated with him. Hell come good im sure of it but I think at this stage of the season we cant afford for anymore mistakes. Lingegaard to his credit hasnt made one mistake yet that I can think of so this season Anders should be number one. Which isnt taking away from the fact I think De Gea will be our long term number one, weve got 2 competitions left Id rather not go down to one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 19:31:05 GMT
He needs to pick one of them now until the end of the season and stop fucking about. This. Although This pretty much sums it up. His confidence dropping doesnt help with the fact hes bein dropped ever other week. If he had a solid 2 or 3 month stint bar injuries I think it would do his confidence the world of good, Doesnt help with the back 4 being swapped about either altho I can understand it atm with injuries. Does need to stick with one. You dont see any team in the prem having to swap each week, it causes unrest which it is doing at the moment. |
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Post by king nothing on Jan 28, 2012 19:40:42 GMT
A keeper will always get grief because invariably if they drop a clanger its a goal, if you shoot wide or misplace a pass it does not usually cost you the game.
That said Lindegard number one for me,DDG looked lost behind that oaf today i almost felt sorry for him.
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Post by WillieRedNut on Jan 28, 2012 21:51:01 GMT
VDS was probably written off after a horror spell in Italy. You can rally from set backs. This season will be an eye opener for the lad. The culture is totally different from Spanish football. The English game is all about getting the ball in the box asap. Anders should have started today. He's been the number 1 recently. Didn't make any sense to switch to De gea in this of all games.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 28, 2012 22:02:31 GMT
Why would persisting with DdG mean 5 years without a trophy? Atletico Madrid won trophies with DdG. The Spain U-21's won a trophy with DdG. Why wouldn't we?
Second. Let's look at the time period everyone is referencing; the Post Schmeichel/Bosnich/Barthez/Roy Carroll/Tim Howard era; 3 Tiles, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup. Not the greatest period in our history, but hardly 5 years without winning anything. The more important factor, and glaring similarity is the crap trotted out in the middle of the park. Djembax2, Kleberson, Veron, Liam Miler et al had more to do with our "struggles" than any keeper issue. Same deal here. DdG is plenty good enough at the moment for The United team of 07-08 to win the league. It's not his fault our midfield can't keep the ball and actually threaten the oppositions goal. It's not his fault we created very little. It's not his fault the 10 outfield players can't deal with a hoof up field from the oppositions keeper. (Not that Lindegaard fared any better at the Emirates or St. James' Park, but never mind.). Any downturn will not be down to the keeper, whomever that is. It will be down to a failure to invest in the midfield, just as it was back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 23:22:09 GMT
The thing is if we never had keepers as world class as VDS or Schemichel and instead had someone like Gomes or Almunia then in truth we wouldnt be having this conversation. People compare De Gea simply because hes stuttering and that hes not filled VDS's boots already. He will eventually and until then we should cut him some slack but id prefer at least this season to have Lindegaard between the sticks. The back 4 seems more confident aswell, its unfortunate for De Gea as he has a lot to learn with having such a big change to adapt to. Give him a season or two. Rmemeber in the past 10 years the keepers that have seemed to have had a solid first season have turned into shite after one or two. Barthezz, Bosnich, Howard, Carroll. Remember even the great dane made mistakes. Id much rather him make them now and learn from them at the age of 20.
In Fuzzy chin we trust.
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