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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 23:35:27 GMT
Who is he? never heard of him, should have gotten rid of him years ago with all those mistakes, how dare he  |
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Post by ginger18legend on Jan 29, 2012 6:55:03 GMT
I suppose we'll only know how good he is after a season or two. Lets leave it at that for now. One thing is pretty obvious though, and even the pro DDG camp will support this - Lindegaard has to be first choice for the immediate future.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 29, 2012 8:26:42 GMT
There's a large chunk of hypocrisy surrounding De Gea on here. I too agree that he'll be world class etc etc etc. He needs time and patience and the mistakes will diminish with time. That's all fine. But then we mustn't be surprised if we get knocked out of cup competitions and drop needless points. I've come to terms with it but I see many people praise and then get the knife out every time a mistake pops up.
I think at the moment we all agree Lindegaard must start, me included, but I'm a major fan of DDG and he'll repay us lucratively in the years to come. Not sure if anyone mentioned this but the prospect of a PL loan for De Gea is probably out of the question?
Still gutted today, but i guess that's football. Would've deserved a draw.
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 11:28:16 GMT
Knocked out of as many cups as we have at this stage already and some people want to drop out of the top four for a while so we can concentrate on settling De Gea in? Whether it is money issues or a lack of appeal, we struggle to bring players in as it is whilst also having a problem with the few talented youngsters we've nurtured. Let alone if we drop out of contention for things. I'm all for giving De Gea a chance but if he doesn't work out then so be it we move on. I'd hate to fuck about with the standing of things for one player.
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Post by - on Jan 29, 2012 12:01:00 GMT
We simply can not afford to play him in the remaining league games he will cost us points like he has already done. Lindegaard has to play.
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Post by TradBrick_ on Jan 29, 2012 12:18:50 GMT
I love DDG, already a top, top keeper in my eyes. He'll be our number one keeper for decades. But, right now, Lindegaard seems more reliable and assertive. I like both keepers a lot, so the competition is very healthy as they're both very talented.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 13:32:32 GMT
We simply can not afford to play him in the remaining league games he will cost us points like he has already done. Lindegaard has to play. Yes, cos Lindegaard hasnt cost us ANY points at all has he? I'm all for giving De Gea a chance but if he doesn't work out then so be it we move on. I'd hate to fuck about with the standing of things for one player. Ummmm....hes had less than 1 whole season here!! IS this the same logic that saw plenty call for Ronaldo to be sold? Fuck me, no wonder no-one wants to join the club and all the top youngsters want to leave if this is how we treat the kids when they play. Lindegaard got plenty of fucking praise for keeping 5 clean sheets in a row - yet everyone conveniently ignored the fact they were easy games and then the debacle of Newcastle's 3rd goal. No-one has even bothered to acknowledge any decent thing De Gea has done - like the save in the first few mins yesterday, the penalty save,etc. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 29, 2012 13:39:55 GMT
De Gea is gonna be a top keeper, question is do we want it to be with us or shall we let him leave and be someone elses top keeper?
might even be worth it to watch some of the de gea bashers whinge about how we let him go
good point about ronaldo /\
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 14:17:50 GMT
Its true though. There were plenty wanting rid of Ronaldo in his early days and then lied about it when he turned into the player he did. It's almost like they want the player and club to fail so they can say "i told you so". If you know that much, why dont you go ask a professional club for a job?
There's a great article in UWS about the keeper situ -
"Wembley 2011, and a United goalkeeper looks on disconsolately. As opponents wheel away in delight at their second goal of the match, teammates trudge solemnly back to their positions and await the restart of a game they seem destined to lose.
The keeper is Edwin Van Der Sar, playing in his final game for the club, but the same paragraph could easily have been written for David De Gea. The young madrileno's first competitive game at United was marred by a shaky first half performance in the Community Shield, only months after the veterans retirement. For Van Der Sars poor attempt to stop Messi's goal, read De Gea's laboured response to Dzeko's long drive.
But how reactions differed. A redoubtable veteran and a man cooler than frozen cucumber, Van Der Sar was barely given an inch in the following days columns. De Gea's mistake - his first in the shirt - sent sgivers dancing down spines.
Skys cameras honed in on a young face, wreathed with that almost pubescent attempt at a beard. In the Sky studio, Jamie Redknapp made noises about the wiry keeper not filling out his shirt, as if De Gea and every man on the planet bore a responsibility to adhere to Jamie's hardcore slim-fit policy.
Following a couple of costly errors in December against Basel and Blackburn, articles on De Gea are once again stalking the back pages. Daniel Taylor of the Guardian wrote "This is not, as Ferguson put it in September, the agenda of a media 'desperate for the bot to fail'. Nobody in the press box invented the mistakes against Benfica and Basel that played a part in Uniteds elimination for the CL."
He's absolutly correct: nobody has conjured up De Gea's mistakes from thin air. But, although the press might not be desperate for the player to fail, they are desperate for a story, an issue or a bone of contention.
Discussing De Gea's slips is fair, but it doesnt excuse ludicrous comparisons with Lindegaard. Journo's wrote about Lindegaards superior communication, his great presence and his experience.
Much was made of the Dane's five clean sheets in the league - achieved against opponents offering all the resistance of a sponge cake.
Considering Lindegaard,27, has played fewer than 100 professional games, talk of experience is redundant. De Gea, despite being only 21, has already played around the same number as his colleague, and at a higher level too, having won the Europa League with Atletico Madrid. If age is the measure of experience, why not check Bert Trautmann's neck has been adequately uncricked and sign him on a pay-as-you-play basis?
Comparisons between 2 competing keepers are inevitable, but in their haste to castigate De Gea, the press - and many fans - have propelled Lindegaard to a status he does not yet deserve. Indeed, most of the qualities attributed to the former Alesunds FK man are based on performances in easy victories and are little more than hunches at this stage.
Against Newcastle he flapped at the odd cross in much the same way De Gea has done, while his reputed communication skills were not strongly in evidence when Jones scuffed the ball into an empty net with Lindegaard running in the opposite direction.
Of course, lindegaard may very well prove a great goalkeeper and even surpass de Gea to become Uniteds number 1. But De Gea's mistakes seem to be elevating Lindegaards reputation almost single-handedly .
According to many who know him, De Gea is, in fact, a remarkably confident character. Ex-Atletico boss Abel Resino said "The calmness he displayed in such big games was tremendous; he has great nerve." The performances delivered at Stoke and Anfield suggest Resino is on the money, while even De Gea's error for Benficas second at OT a few months ago showed that, while an error was made, the players courage, in attempting such a pass, is of the standard required by United.
That great doyen of football writers, Brian Glanville, titled a novel Goalkeepers Are Different, and he wasnt wrong. Manchester United goalkeepers, in turn, tread a tightrope more precarious than most, and De Gea has not been aided by an inconsistent back four and porous midfield.
As the newcastle defeat made clear, this team has deficiencies in many areas, whether due to injury, the inexperience of young players or the lack of clout in the transfer market. But De Gea, like all goalkeepers, bears a weight of criticism that dwarfs that which is levelled at other defenders.
No, the press and fans didnt invent De Geas mistakes, but many have dreamt uo a system with which to assess the goalkeeping situation at the club that is imbalanced.
Analysing mistakes and their frequency forms part of the discussion, but what value character, mental fortitude and resilience? In the face of overwrought criticism and amid the venom of partisan hotbeds like Liverpool and Stoke, you might just find the very essence of a Manchester United player."
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 14:19:22 GMT
What on earth are you on about again, SET? You're always jumping the gun when we all don't have our tongues in our players arses. I was referencing the people suggesting we DROP out of the top four and current contention just to settle him in. We are struggling enough to compete in everything let alone drop out and try and get back in again, like we have some given right to choose when to participate. If he doesn't work out then he doesn't work out. We shouldn't have to sacrifice things for him.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 14:30:57 GMT
We are struggling enough to compete in everything let alone drop out and try and get back in again, like we have some given right to choose when to participate. If he doesn't work out then he doesn't work out. We shouldn't have to sacrifice things for him. So the Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup are all De Gea's fault?? We arent dropping out of anything to settle him in. Have you thought that if we had a settled back 4 then he wouldnt have to handle half the shit he has? |
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 14:36:34 GMT
Once again I am not blaming anything on De Gea, nor am I suggesting we drop him and I am not saying we ARE or HAVE dropped out because of him. What I AM doing is having a pop at those individuals who are suggesting we fizzle away until he is ready. As far as I am concerned I'd stick him straight in instead of the hokey fucking cokey act that is going on now. Absolutely rubbish for his confidence.
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Post by reddub on Jan 29, 2012 14:40:34 GMT
Once again I am not blaming anything on De Gea, nor am I suggesting we drop him and I am not saying we ARE or HAVE dropped out because of him. What I AM doing is having a pop at those individuals who are suggesting we fizzle away until he is ready. As far as I am concerned I'd stick him straight in instead of the hokey fucking cokey act that is going on now. Absolutely rubbish for his confidence. I'd tend to agree with that. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 14:43:59 GMT
Once again I am not blaming anything on De Gea, nor am I suggesting we drop him and I am not saying we ARE or HAVE dropped out because of him. What I AM doing is having a pop at those individuals who are suggesting we fizzle away until he is ready. As far as I am concerned I'd stick him straight in instead of the hokey fucking cokey act that is going on now. Absolutely rubbish for his confidence. I think i was trying to agree with you, but just did it in the wrong way cos that post is spot on. EDIT - think i read your post earlier wrong, sorry. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 29, 2012 14:50:28 GMT
the De Gea bashers are way out of balance. i've seen him called a 'joke' on here a few times which is pretty vicious and out of order. i wonder what the people calling him a joke were doing at 20 years old? this kid moved to a foreign country to replace the worlds best keeper at the worlds biggest club in a relatively poor United side. that's with barely a couple of seasons of football under his belt, not knowing the language and still growing physically and mentally, these aren't excuses for him just the facts. Ferguson knew this when he bought him, he chose not to buy a keeper in his late 20's/30's, he accepted that De Gea would need a lot of time.
he's cutting his teeth in the manchester united first team whereas most 21 year old keepers are learning the game in their reserve sides. you might argue that's not right for manchester united and it's costly for us and i'd agree to some extent, i wish Ferguson had given Van der Sar another 12 months when he offered to u-turn and brought De Gea in to work under him, but this is the way it is and people who profess to being supporters need to live up to that billing and start supporting instead of sniping
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