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Post by jimbonda on Jan 29, 2012 14:51:46 GMT
What I AM doing is having a pop at those individuals who are suggesting we fizzle away until he is ready. who's suggesting that? that is a strange one i agree |
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 14:53:11 GMT
Once again I am not blaming anything on De Gea, nor am I suggesting we drop him and I am not saying we ARE or HAVE dropped out because of him. What I AM doing is having a pop at those individuals who are suggesting we fizzle away until he is ready. As far as I am concerned I'd stick him straight in instead of the hokey fucking cokey act that is going on now. Absolutely rubbish for his confidence. I think i was trying to agree with you, but just did it in the wrong way cos that post is spot on. EDIT - think i read your post earlier wrong, sorry. No bother fella. THUMBS. |
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 14:54:11 GMT
Lets just wait a couple of years for him to come good then. If that means no trophies and dropping out of the top four, so be it. At least we'll have a reliable keeper at the end of it all. And a few fellow reds I know. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 14:55:13 GMT
I think i was trying to agree with you, but just did it in the wrong way cos that post is spot on. EDIT - think i read your post earlier wrong, sorry. No bother fella. THUMBS.  Thought you were suggesting we do that and that he was to blame. Thats what i get for replying before having my first cuppa of the day.  |
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Post by - on Jan 29, 2012 15:23:09 GMT
We simply can not afford to play him in the remaining league games he will cost us points like he has already done. Lindegaard has to play. I'm all for giving De Gea a chance but if he doesn't work out then so be it we move on. I'd hate to fuck about with the standing of things for one player. Ummmm....hes had less than 1 whole season here!! IS this the same logic that saw plenty call for Ronaldo to be sold? Fuck me, no wonder no-one wants to join the club and all the top youngsters want to leave if this is how we treat the kids when they play. Lindegaard got plenty of fucking praise for keeping 5 clean sheets in a row - yet everyone conveniently ignored the fact they were easy games and then the debacle of Newcastle's 3rd goal. No-one has even bothered to acknowledge any decent thing De Gea has done - like the save in the first few mins yesterday, the penalty save,etc. When? De Gea has cost us more points than he has earned us this season fact!. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 29, 2012 16:19:07 GMT
Lets see: De Gea was only really at fault for Blackburns winner. Lindegaard committed a similar error in the next game against Newcastle. The difference was the rest of the team didnt pull the game back from 2 goals down.
Lindegaard gets plenty of praise for keeping clean sheets against Fulham & Wigan, yet didnt have to do anything at all really as the defence did their fucking job. No-one mentioned the fact Lindy should have done better with Van Persies goal the other week.
Yet when De Gea gets bombarded against the better teams in the league its all his fault despite the fact the defence was shit and didnt help him at all.
Funny that Lindegaard conceded 2 goals against city in the fa cup yet no-one mentions that either. I mean De Gea couldnt have done much for Lescotts goal in the CS and nor could Lindy for Kolarovs, but both of citys 2nd goals in both games should have been dealt with better
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Post by fletchabey on Jan 29, 2012 17:18:48 GMT
Commentators pissed me off yesterday, once again they throw up the microscope whilst ignoring anything Reina did. Both of the cocked up an easy pass to the opposition yet Reina's didn't get a second mention. Also the time Reina raced out and Welbeck easily rounded him but for some good covering from Agger. With the goal itself, he could have been Brock Lesnar and still struggled to bulldoze through the ~6 big players in front of him, yet its all his fault and the commentators don't bother to criticise the fact our defenders allowed a free header. If anything we seemed to lack a game plan of him being targeted like such. The bulking up will come with time but cant really be rushed. Still no matter how impatient people are, we still have the best under 24 keeper in the world. He'll come good.
The same people will probably be back here tearing down Lindegaard when his inevitable mistakes or bad games happen. We were spoilt by VDS, he had the odd clanger (De Gea has done nothing to match up to Brom last year) but was then largely solid.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 29, 2012 17:24:18 GMT
It occurs to me that people like to give Giggs, Park, Carrick, etc a kick up their arses when they don't perform, but when it comes to De Gea, there seems to be a "protective" switch turned on.
No player is immune to criticism. Every player can improve their game. Youth alike. That's the only way they can improve, and it's also the manager's job to protect them - that's why Fergie is the best that there is. Like most people on this forum or even supports United - we KNOW De Gea will come good... or should I put it more modestly - we predict that he will come good; it's not 100%, but it should be a high percentage. However, he still has quite some time to go.
Lindegaard has taken his chances well, and has coped better. Most importantly, Mentally, he has done good. You could say that he hasn't had the same limelight, but whatever it is, the situation has come to that he has the better mental strength at the moment. Despite some of the games in which he has played might be "easy" as SET might put it... must we be reminded that no games are actually easy?
During this time, De Gea has shown that he is not yet ready for the high pressure that comes with the job. I thought rotating keepers was a good suggestion, but to be fair, it doesn't seem to be working. The defence hasn't looked confident. Is it mainly De Gea's fault though? No. It is an accumulative of everyone's performances - however, De Gea's has some part to play in that accumulation of faults. De Gea must not be given a golden key and treated like a Prince. He must start from the bottom... and I'm even thinking about loan offers. Half a season perhaps to premier league strugglers would set his mentality right. Another aspect is his physique - he needs to get buff. Probably like the Da Silva brothers.
Buff him up for a year, train him hard in the reserves for his keeper skills for the next year - keeping him away from all the unwanted limelight for a while, and then depending on his performances, either send him out on loan to increase his experience and confidence or promote him to first team action IF he's ready.
Currently, he definitely IS NOT ready. With every poor performance, he gets jeered at, and his confidence will get a good pounding. With every win, his confidence will not improve by much. I know this through my own experiences being a keeper when I was a wee bit younger. It takes years to build confidence.
I refuse to blame everything on De Gea. It is not his fault entirely - but he is simply just not ready yet.
Also regarding someone mentioning that we shouldn't mind winning nowt for a few years in return for a great keeper... that won't work. No medals = no money, no commercial backing = no players want to come = no players want to stay, perhaps including De Gea himself. I'm an honest fan. I love United for United - I will support even if we go down to the championship (God Forbid!)... but for the love of the club as well, this is not the best way to go around it. Most definitely not. IMO.
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Post by ginger18legend on Jan 29, 2012 18:53:51 GMT
Lets just wait a couple of years for him to come good then. If that means no trophies and dropping out of the top four, so be it. At least we'll have a reliable keeper at the end of it all. And a few fellow reds I know. Its called SARCASM!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by ginger18legend on Jan 29, 2012 18:55:51 GMT
It occurs to me that people like to give Giggs, Park, Carrick, etc a kick up their arses when they don't perform, but when it comes to De Gea, there seems to be a "protective" switch turned on. No player is immune to criticism. Every player can improve their game. Youth alike. That's the only way they can improve, and it's also the manager's job to protect them - that's why Fergie is the best that there is. Like most people on this forum or even supports United - we KNOW De Gea will come good... or should I put it more modestly - we predict that he will come good; it's not 100%, but it should be a high percentage. However, he still has quite some time to go. Lindegaard has taken his chances well, and has coped better. Most importantly, Mentally, he has done good. You could say that he hasn't had the same limelight, but whatever it is, the situation has come to that he has the better mental strength at the moment. Despite some of the games in which he has played might be "easy" as SET might put it... must we be reminded that no games are actually easy? During this time, De Gea has shown that he is not yet ready for the high pressure that comes with the job. I thought rotating keepers was a good suggestion, but to be fair, it doesn't seem to be working. The defence hasn't looked confident. Is it mainly De Gea's fault though? No. It is an accumulative of everyone's performances - however, De Gea's has some part to play in that accumulation of faults. De Gea must not be given a golden key and treated like a Prince. He must start from the bottom... and I'm even thinking about loan offers. Half a season perhaps to premier league strugglers would set his mentality right. Another aspect is his physique - he needs to get buff. Probably like the Da Silva brothers. Buff him up for a year, train him hard in the reserves for his keeper skills for the next year - keeping him away from all the unwanted limelight for a while, and then depending on his performances, either send him out on loan to increase his experience and confidence or promote him to first team action IF he's ready. Currently, he definitely IS NOT ready. With every poor performance, he gets jeered at, and his confidence will get a good pounding. With every win, his confidence will not improve by much. I know this through my own experiences being a keeper when I was a wee bit younger. It takes years to build confidence. I refuse to blame everything on De Gea. It is not his fault entirely - but he is simply just not ready yet. Also regarding someone mentioning that we shouldn't mind winning nowt for a few years in return for a great keeper... that won't work. No medals = no money, no commercial backing = no players want to come = no players want to stay, perhaps including De Gea himself. I'm an honest fan. I love United for United - I will support even if we go down to the championship (God Forbid!)... but for the love of the club as well, this is not the best way to go around it. Most definitely not. IMO. This! Thank you!!! |
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Post by 7even on Jan 29, 2012 18:57:28 GMT
And a few fellow reds I know. Its called SARCASM!!!!!!!! Well done. That excuses you. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jan 29, 2012 19:04:00 GMT
The big Dane made mistakes but not consistently game after game, the lad confidence is gone and sadly when a goal keeper looses his confidence at United he never gains it back.
Just look at the lads expressions in the net. He looks unsettled and worried everytime.
For me he's getting progressively worse.
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Post by Rio5 on Jan 30, 2012 10:52:16 GMT
DDG has always some good saves and then fucks it all up, Lindegaard for the rest of the season and therapy session with VDS and Schmeichel for DDG.
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Post by mltezr on Jan 30, 2012 10:57:08 GMT
yeah im for lindegaard for the clear majority of games now.
DDG to hit the gym for the rest of the season and bulk up. im a fan of a loan move for him so that way he gets to play consistant, learn his trade and his mistakes dont cost us
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2012 11:04:59 GMT
We all know he's probably going to be a world-beater someday, but right now the lad is clearly nowhere near ready to cut it for United right now, and yet we keep throwing him in.
Why the fuck does the kid persist in trying to kick the ball instead of just getting something in the way of the ball? Very frustrating. Send him on loan to Blackburn or Bolton so he can get the shit kicked out of him in training and he'll have to deal with lots of action during games.
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