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Post by Bestie on Oct 28, 2012 20:16:44 GMT
Today did little for this debate other than confirm De Gea is a brilliant shot-stopper. But we knew that already. G. Nev said himself that the free-kick was get-able and DDG was still horrendously untrustworthy anytime Chelsea got a free-kick around the box or corners.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 20:22:03 GMT
Today did little for this debate other than confirm De Gea is a brilliant shot-stopper. But we knew that already. G. Nev said himself that the free-kick was get-able and DDG was still horrendously untrustworthy anytime Chelsea got a free-kick around the box or corners. Its get-able yes, if you can see the ball. He couldn't until it had made its way through the wall. He didn't have to bother with any corners nor did he miss any catches or punches. The lad couldn't have done any better than he did. This is the problem, you have games like today where he was faultless and people will still pick holes. (not particularly aimed at you tho Bestie just in general). |
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Post by Dan United on Oct 29, 2012 8:30:01 GMT
Would we have won yesterday with Lindegaard in goal? Questions like that can never truly be answered so simply, but I doubt he would have made some of the saves de Gea did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 8:44:49 GMT
This thread is quite answered IMHO.
Linderguardian is a good goalie and would be number one if it wasn't for De God who is better
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Post by Bestie on Oct 29, 2012 9:34:21 GMT
Today did little for this debate other than confirm De Gea is a brilliant shot-stopper. But we knew that already. G. Nev said himself that the free-kick was get-able and DDG was still horrendously untrustworthy anytime Chelsea got a free-kick around the box or corners. Its get-able yes, if you can see the ball. He couldn't until it had made its way through the wall. He didn't have to bother with any corners nor did he miss any catches or punches. The lad couldn't have done any better than he did. This is the problem, you have games like today where he was faultless and people will still pick holes. (not particularly aimed at you tho Bestie just in general). The thing is, I'm not even trying to pick holes. Sitting watching the game yesterday, my da and I and a mate of ours, were all saying how great a shot-stopper De Gea is. That one he clawed off the line was unreal, brilliant hand to it, strong. But at the same time, we were all noticabvly uncomfortable anytime the ball came slinging into the box. We haven't the confidence in De Gea to be brilliant and strong in dealing with them. The free-kick was on the goalkepper side, at about halfway up the post height. De Gea took big steps left when I feel, and said straight-away, he should have been more concerned with not being beaten on his side. As Nev said, if the taker gets it up and down over the wall, or bends it outside the wall, then you hold your hands up and say 'Fantastic strike.' but a goalie shouldn't concede on his side. Another mate of mine actually played nets in the Irish League (not a great standard obviously, but principles of goalkeeping are the same at every level) and he says the same If De Gea hadn't move left, I reckon he might have got to the free-kick. The shame is, he did have a pretty decent game, but as I've said before people can be dazzled by the unworldly saves and don't notice the uncertainty the rest of the time. DDG is two attributes away from being a complete 'keeper, he's that close already. I just worry it won't come, and in the meantime we will suffer for his learning curve. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 29, 2012 11:53:41 GMT
He's one attribute away.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 29, 2012 12:28:06 GMT
Two. He's still a stick figure.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 29, 2012 12:31:42 GMT
and van der sar was built like a brick house?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 12:36:52 GMT
lol he's hardly a stick figure
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Post by Bestie on Oct 29, 2012 12:49:34 GMT
I knew someone was going to bring up VDS. Edwin was thin, but he also happened to be about 6" 6' (almost).
Dave De Gea, well, he is not that tall.
@ Carb - I didn't mean literally. Stick Llama?
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Post by Stew on Oct 29, 2012 13:11:15 GMT
We don't know if he'll improve in catching crosses. He most likely will but it's not certain. However, unless he's something of a physical freak he'll certainly get bigger and stronger as he gets older.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Oct 29, 2012 13:20:53 GMT
Lindegaard and De Gea are different goalkeepers with different sets of speciality .
One is more stocky and can more or less used to powerhouse through anyone to get to a ball...
...the other one is lean and agile, and can stop seemingly impossible shots.
Both have their weakness, which we all know about. Lindegaard is a normal goalkeeper to me, more like Kuszczak, Howard, Foster and other balanced goalkeepers we've had. De Gea is particularly weak at coming to get crosses, but is - dare I say it - a World-Class shot stopper (does not denote World-Class goalkeeper).
Like I said some time ago, I don't think De Gea will ever eradicate his weakness. He may strengthened it to a point where it doesn't cause trouble as frequently as they do now or over the past year, but he will still feel nervy about it once in every while. What I do think can help De Gea, is having Edwin van der Sar coach him personally though.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 29, 2012 13:26:59 GMT
If he had saved that free kick I can guarantee we would all be saying what an amazing save it was, which kinda shows that it wasn't some piss-easy, straight-forward save to make.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 29, 2012 14:31:13 GMT
Lindegaard and De Gea are different goalkeepers with different sets of speciality . One is more stocky and can more or less used to powerhouse through anyone to get to a ball... ...the other one is lean and agile, and can stop seemingly impossible shots. Both have their weakness, which we all know about. Lindegaard is a normal goalkeeper to me, more like Kuszczak, Howard, Foster and other balanced goalkeepers we've had. De Gea is particularly weak at coming to get crosses, but is - dare I say it - a World-Class shot stopper (does not denote World-Class goalkeeper). Like I said some time ago, I don't think De Gea will ever eradicate his weakness. He may strengthened it to a point where it doesn't cause trouble as frequently as they do now or over the past year, but he will still feel nervy about it once in every while. What I do think can help De Gea, is having Edwin van der Sar coach him personally though. Definitely. One of the best out-and-out stoppers in the world, not doubt about it. I don't care if he feels nervy, just don't show it! As long as I don't feel nervy about him coming for crosses and dealing with aerial threats, I don't care if he's shitting himself! @ Rors - It would have been a great looking save, but I disagree we'd be raving about it as an amazing stop. More of a 'good save as expected' stop. Like Valencia easily beating his man to whip in a cross - it's good play, but it's his job. The one hero-ed off the line was spectacular though. |
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 29, 2012 15:36:55 GMT
Lindegaard and De Gea are different goalkeepers with different sets of speciality . One is more stocky and can more or less used to powerhouse through anyone to get to a ball......the other one is lean and agile, and can stop seemingly impossible shots. you're talking about lindegaard here, but from what iv seen he's not that type of keeper. he aint much bigger than de Gea. he's also not much better at commanding the box. all he has over him is a slight edge in age/experience. |
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