Baines

[Tatty]

May 30, 2012 7:51:33 GMT Bestie said:

So let's go for Fabregas then!

If only.

[booandman]

May 30, 2012 7:13:03 GMT Tatty said:

This isn't a goer.

Definitely..?? From the horses (chef's) mouth..??

[Tatty]

May 30, 2012 9:06:19 GMT booandman said:

May 30, 2012 7:13:03 GMT Tatty said:

This isn't a goer.

Definitely..?? From the horses (chef's) mouth..??

Nah, personal opinion.

The deal doesn't make sense. £10mill + for a 27 yeard old for a position where we have a top quality first choice is silly. Especially if he has a good Euro tournament, assuming he can get past Cole to the starting berth.

IF, we're after him for his set piece ability, there's players already at the club who can take set-pieces, or should be able to, but that's another arguement. And there's better, younger left backs knocking about if we're willing to do the scouting.

[booandman]

I agree Tatty, cheaper and younger options out there - Cissoko springs to mind

[alt]

May 30, 2012 9:46:04 GMT Tatty said:

May 30, 2012 9:06:19 GMT booandman said:

Definitely..?? From the horses (chef's) mouth..??

Nah, personal opinion.

The deal doesn't make sense. £10mill + for a 27 yeard old for a position where we have a top quality first choice is silly. Especially if he has a good Euro tournament, assuming he can get past Cole to the starting berth.

IF, we're after him for his set piece ability, there's players already at the club who can take set-pieces, or should be able to, but that's another arguement. And there's better, younger left backs knocking about if we're willing to do the scouting.

Top quality first choice, am I missing something? Evra has been far from top quality for the last two seasons, constantly caught out of position and it's pretty common to see players just waltz past him nowadays. Whether it's down to age, lack of rest or lack of competition I don't know but if he wants to remain first choice he seriously needs to improve. Wouldn't surprise me if Clichy starts against us in the Euro's, in the friendly for France against Iceland the other day Evra was at fault for both goals. As for Baines overtaking Cole there's zero chance of that unless he gets injured, Cole has shown yet again that he's still one of if not the best LB in the world with his performances against Bayern Munich etc.

[Tatty]

May 30, 2012 10:07:36 GMT alt said:

May 30, 2012 9:46:04 GMT Tatty said:

Nah, personal opinion.

The deal doesn't make sense. £10mill + for a 27 yeard old for a position where we have a top quality first choice is silly. Especially if he has a good Euro tournament, assuming he can get past Cole to the starting berth.

IF, we're after him for his set piece ability, there's players already at the club who can take set-pieces, or should be able to, but that's another arguement. And there's better, younger left backs knocking about if we're willing to do the scouting.

Top quality first choice, am I missing something? Evra has been far from top quality for the last two seasons, constantly caught out of position and it's pretty common to see players just waltz past him nowadays. Whether it's down to age, lack of rest or lack of competition I don't know but if he wants to remain first choice he seriously needs to improve. Wouldn't surprise me if Clichy starts against us in the Euro's, in the friendly for France against Iceland the other day Evra was at fault for both goals. As for Baines overtaking Cole there's zero chance of that unless he gets injured, Cole has shown yet again that he's still one of if not the best LB in the world with his performances against Bayern Munich etc.

Yeah, but Baines is worse defensively than Evra has been recently.

[albertross]

"If Leighton Baines’ statistics going forward were not quite as imperious as in recent seasons – although he still created the 11th most chances in the league – his defensive performances were excellent once again. His ability at the back is often masked by his superb contribution going forward, but few wingers ever get the better of him. Baines was only dribbled past 10 times this season, whereas Patrice Evra and Ashley Cole were both beaten 29 times"

www.eplindex.com/14562/everton-201112-good-bad-opta-stats-analysis.html

[Bestie]

May 30, 2012 10:07:36 GMT alt said:

May 30, 2012 9:46:04 GMT Tatty said:

Nah, personal opinion.

The deal doesn't make sense. £10mill + for a 27 yeard old for a position where we have a top quality first choice is silly. Especially if he has a good Euro tournament, assuming he can get past Cole to the starting berth.

IF, we're after him for his set piece ability, there's players already at the club who can take set-pieces, or should be able to, but that's another arguement. And there's better, younger left backs knocking about if we're willing to do the scouting.

Top quality first choice, am I missing something? Evra has been far from top quality for the last two seasons, constantly caught out of position and it's pretty common to see players just waltz past him nowadays. Whether it's down to age, lack of rest or lack of competition I don't know but if he wants to remain first choice he seriously needs to improve. Wouldn't surprise me if Clichy starts against us in the Euro's, in the friendly for France against Iceland the other day Evra was at fault for both goals. As for Baines overtaking Cole there's zero chance of that unless he gets injured, Cole has shown yet again that he's still one of if not the best LB in the world with his performances against Bayern Munich etc.

United playing in international tournaments now?

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Stefan Radu anyone? Would be cheaper and has had a couple good seasons in Serie A with lazio.

Plus with him and Vidic at the back we would have a bit of an Eastern Bloc in defence


EDIT: His agent has said they are speaking to someone in England at the mo and that 3 clubs are after him - Arsenal, city and an un-named club.

[karthy]

Bringing in Baines would mean the door's shut on the face of Fabio and other youngsters who are knocking. If we were to go for baines ,we might as well give fabio the chance. After all it was about game time right. If however the arguement is that Fabio will not get as many chances then Baines ain't gonna want to warm the bench. Also if it is that we need an experienced LB, then does that mean paddy is on his way out and Baines will take the Sr.LB position with Fabio and others fighting it out. Nah i don't see that option at all working out... but stranger things have happened.

[albertross]

Hypothetically speaking, if we have already arranged with Moyes that Baines is coming, then it makes sense to loan out Fabio. If we are not planning on bringing in an alternative to Evra, why loan out Fabio?

I know Paddy seems to always be available, but if anything that shows we need to rely on him a bit less.

[jimbonda]

May 30, 2012 12:23:03 GMT karthy said:

Bringing in Baines would mean the door's shut on the face of Fabio and other youngsters who are knocking.

but Fabio is not 'knocking' and nor is anyone else

[alt]

May 30, 2012 11:28:50 GMT Bestie said:

May 30, 2012 10:07:36 GMT alt said:

Top quality first choice, am I missing something? Evra has been far from top quality for the last two seasons, constantly caught out of position and it's pretty common to see players just waltz past him nowadays. Whether it's down to age, lack of rest or lack of competition I don't know but if he wants to remain first choice he seriously needs to improve. Wouldn't surprise me if Clichy starts against us in the Euro's, in the friendly for France against Iceland the other day Evra was at fault for both goals. As for Baines overtaking Cole there's zero chance of that unless he gets injured, Cole has shown yet again that he's still one of if not the best LB in the world with his performances against Bayern Munich etc.

United playing in international tournaments now?

You know what I meant.. but ok if it wasn't clear enough for anyone it wouldn't surprise me if Clichy starts for France ahead of Evra against England. Happy?

[Daz]

Jesus Christ please let this rumour die, Baines isn't good enough for us. It makes no sense to with our current policy to spend upto that much on a player who is 27 and will not have a large sell on, let alone he's not first choice for England.

This rumour really annoys me.

[Jayrannasaurus]

Tyler Blackett will be bossing that position in a few years. I say a few years as that's how long Pat will still be playing there.

I'd much rather we invest in a proper RB to give competition to Rafael than spend 12 mil on a 27 year old back up LB.