Baines

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As is Coentrao, who is 4 years younger, with more high level experience, regular in the CL for R.Madrid and 41 caps for a good Portugal side and most likely cheaper. Baines at 29 has 21 caps, mostly friendlies and has never played CL Football. Anyway, we have enough ex-Everton personnel as it is.

[Chelsea Rentboy]

Nov 2, 2013 14:10:07 GMT Tatty said:

Oct 31, 2013 16:51:59 GMT Chelsea Rentboy said:

When we bought RVP for instance there was no concern about his age on here!

Yes there was. Lots in fact.

I was being sarcastic!!

[Tatty]

Nov 3, 2013 17:58:55 GMT Chelsea Rentboy said:

Nov 2, 2013 14:10:07 GMT Tatty said:

Yes there was. Lots in fact.

I was being sarcastic!!

That old chestnut.

[Chelsea Rentboy]

Nov 3, 2013 12:16:38 GMT @deanser said:

As is Coentrao, who is 4 years younger, with more high level experience, regular in the CL for R.Madrid and 41 caps for a good Portugal side and most likely cheaper. Baines at 29 has 21 caps, mostly friendlies and has never played CL Football. Anyway, we have enough ex-Everton personnel as it is.

It's highly debatable that Coentrao will be 'most likely cheaper'. Also, we've targeted and signed players who've never had a sniff of Champions League football in the past.

I find your 'we have enough ex-Everton personnel as it is' comment strange because Baines was on our radar well before Moyes, Phil Nev and Fellaini even came on board.

We scout players at least a year before we sign them, also we would have more than a passing interest in a number of players from the same club, Everton aren't unique.

[Stew]

Baines will be almost twice the price of Contraeo. I can't see us getting Baines for anything less than 18 mill. We should get Contraeo in loan for six months with a buy option of around 10. Think that was mentioned before thd deal went tits up.

[fletchabey]

Hows Coentrao been getting on at Real for the last few months?

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Nov 3, 2013 18:33:29 GMT fletchabey said:

Hows Coentrao been getting on at Real for the last few months?

Well he's got an ankle injury at the moment

[Chelsea Rentboy]

Nov 3, 2013 18:28:18 GMT Stew said:

Baines will be almost twice the price of Contraeo. I can't see us getting Baines for anything less than 18 mill. We should get Contraeo in loan for six months with a buy option of around 10. Think that was mentioned before thd deal went tits up.

Not necessarily Stew.

They're not stupid, they'll know what we're willing to pay for Baines so it gives them all the licence they need to raise Contraeo's price. Southampton would do it with Shaw believe me.

[NR7]

Circus club Madrid are not stupid is news to me.. When they want a player rid, they don't give a flying fuck about getting fair value..

Citing RVP to champion Baines is flawed argument imo. We were well stocked in striking department and signed Kags aswell. RVP seemed a luxury buy whereas LB needs sorting out long term. DM does not rate Fabio, Buttner won't be good enough and as with any potential, Blackett may or may not make grade. 2-3 quality yrs and then we will have the exact situation down the line. Shaw represents best investment, then Coentrao.

[Raf's Hairdryer Treatment]

Nov 4, 2013 12:13:15 GMT NR7 said:

Circus club Madrid are not stupid is news to me.. When they want a player rid, they don't give a flying fuck about getting fair value..

Citing RVP to champion Baines is flawed argument imo. We were well stocked in striking department and signed Kags aswell. RVP seemed a luxury buy whereas LB needs sorting out long term. DM does not rate Fabio, Buttner won't be good enough and as with any potential, Blackett may or may not make grade. 2-3 quality yrs and then we will have the exact situation down the line. Shaw represents best investment, then Coentrao.

Shaw is the best "potential" but of the two I'd still plump for Coentrao. There is nothing to suggest that Shaw can handle the pressures of the bigger stage, nothing to suggest that he wouldn't either, but Coentrao; as has been said, is proven at the top level. Been through a title race, the final stages of the CL, and the scrutiny that comes with being at a top club.

Also has shown that he doesn't mind being rotated which is a massive bonus for a player of his caliber, as well as the added bonus of being able to play a variety of positions.

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Nov 4, 2013 12:13:15 GMT NR7 said:

Circus club Madrid are not stupid is news to me.. When they want a player rid, they don't give a flying fuck about getting fair value..

Citing RVP to champion Baines is flawed argument imo. We were well stocked in striking department and signed Kags aswell. RVP seemed a luxury buy whereas LB needs sorting out long term. DM does not rate Fabio, Buttner won't be good enough and as with any potential, Blackett may or may not make grade. 2-3 quality yrs and then we will have the exact situation down the line. Shaw represents best investment, then Coentrao.

I agree to a point. But Baines will have 3 brilliant years at least in him. We cant sign players looking too far beyond that. It would be fantastic if we had a 22 year old full back that will be with us 10 years. I don't think football is like this anymore. Just my opinion of course but If I thought we would get 3 top seasons out of Baines then 10 mill is a fair price I would have thought.

[Bestie]

Nov 4, 2013 13:30:13 GMT Big_Rons_Leather_Coat said:

Nov 4, 2013 12:13:15 GMT NR7 said:

Circus club Madrid are not stupid is news to me.. When they want a player rid, they don't give a flying fuck about getting fair value..

Citing RVP to champion Baines is flawed argument imo. We were well stocked in striking department and signed Kags aswell. RVP seemed a luxury buy whereas LB needs sorting out long term. DM does not rate Fabio, Buttner won't be good enough and as with any potential, Blackett may or may not make grade. 2-3 quality yrs and then we will have the exact situation down the line. Shaw represents best investment, then Coentrao.

I agree to a point. But Baines will have 3 brilliant years at least in him. We cant sign players looking too far beyond that. It would be fantastic if we had a 22 year old full back that will be with us 10 years. I don't think football is like this anymore. Just my opinion of course but If I thought we would get 3 top seasons out of Baines then 10 mill is a fair price I would have thought.

Doubt it will be as low as £ 10 million though.

[Stew]

They turned down 16 in the summer. That price isn't going down.

[NR7]

Nov 4, 2013 13:30:13 GMT Big_Rons_Leather_Coat said:

Nov 4, 2013 12:13:15 GMT NR7 said:

Circus club Madrid are not stupid is news to me.. When they want a player rid, they don't give a flying fuck about getting fair value..

Citing RVP to champion Baines is flawed argument imo. We were well stocked in striking department and signed Kags aswell. RVP seemed a luxury buy whereas LB needs sorting out long term. DM does not rate Fabio, Buttner won't be good enough and as with any potential, Blackett may or may not make grade. 2-3 quality yrs and then we will have the exact situation down the line. Shaw represents best investment, then Coentrao.

I agree to a point. But Baines will have 3 brilliant years at least in him. We cant sign players looking too far beyond that. It would be fantastic if we had a 22 year old full back that will be with us 10 years. I don't think football is like this anymore. Just my opinion of course but If I thought we would get 3 top seasons out of Baines then 10 mill is a fair price I would have thought.

Basically, this is why most prefer the other 2 options. The cost is prohibitive and who knows how much we did have to spunk to find a long term replacement for Baines in 3 yrs time. Quality LB's are a rare commodity and when there are a few realistic options to serve us, say potentially 5+, makes financial and footballing sense to sign them instead.