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Oct 29, 2013 11:31:40 GMT NR7 said:

Question: Is Coentrao good defensively? I have not seen him apart from WC and Euros to make an informed judgement.

When I first saw him I think it was in the World Cup 2010 and I thought he was Portugal's best player, both offensively and defensively he was brilliant. He then moved to RM for 30m euros and Garay going the other way but it seems to have gone down hill for him since then. Why I'm not sure, whether the huge price tag and expectations had an affect or competing with Marcelo, but obviously something isn't right. He doesn't become a bad player over night so I'd hope with a fresh start here, he could prove to people and regain the form that led RM to spend so much money on him. Whilst Baines is a top player, I'd much rather spend on Coentrao so we don't have to replace him in a couple of years.

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If Coentrao is playing so well these last seasons why cant he stay in the Madrid team? I have my doubts about him defensively. I would take Baines over him all day long.

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Oct 30, 2013 13:25:08 GMT Big_Rons_Leather_Coat said:

If Coentrao is playing so well these last seasons why cant he stay in the Madrid team? I have my doubts about him defensively. I would take Baines over him all day long.

If Kagawa's so good why can't he stay in the United team?

If Mata's so good why can't he stay in the Chelsea team?

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Oct 30, 2013 22:13:47 GMT dazjoe said:

Oct 30, 2013 13:25:08 GMT Big_Rons_Leather_Coat said:

If Coentrao is playing so well these last seasons why cant he stay in the Madrid team? I have my doubts about him defensively. I would take Baines over him all day long.

If Kagawa's so good why can't he stay in the United team?

If Mata's so good why can't he stay in the Chelsea team?

Not the same thing at all. A left back is a left back. The 2 players you mention above are being left out because of a style of play and maybe a perceived weakness that they don't work hard enough out of possession(Not my opinion). I don't think Coentrao is as good as Baines. I think Baines is the best LB in European football and would take him over any other full back right now.

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It's exactly the same thing, a player can't get a regular game at his club. Position is irrelevant. The "style of play" and "perceived weakness" for an AM is the same as a LB. Just because one manager doesn't rate the player doesn't mean you put a big X next to his name and look at other targets.

You could look at a bucketload of very good players that have lost their place at their club, from GK to striker, it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them. Casillas can't get his game in goal anymore, has he suddenly went from one the best keepers in the world to a below par player? I very much doubt it.

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Personally think Coentrao is class (and smashed us in the Madrid CL tie). Was good in both directions not just going forward. Looks comfortable on the wing and has been used on occasion as a deep lying mid (from what I remember).

The argument that Baines would not be a good signing though, is beyond me. Forget his age, he'd walk straight into our starting line-up. Ready made for us in the way that he plays. Closest player I've seen to a new age Irwin in years.

Though Evra is still my favourite current United player, I'd sadly take either one of these two over him.

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Oct 31, 2013 4:36:15 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Personally think Coentrao is class (and smashed us in the Madrid CL tie). Was good in both directions not just going forward. Looks comfortable on the wing and has been used on occasion as a deep lying mid (from what I remember).

The argument that Baines would not be a good signing though, is beyond me. Forget his age, he'd walk straight into our starting line-up. Ready made for us in the way that he plays. Closest player I've seen to a new age Irwin in years.

Though Evra is still my favourite current United player, I'd sadly take either one of these two over him.

I don't think Denis plays anymore...


I'll get me coat.

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Oct 30, 2013 22:31:49 GMT dazjoe said:

It's exactly the same thing, a player can't get a regular game at his club. Position is irrelevant. The "style of play" and "perceived weakness" for an AM is the same as a LB. Just because one manager doesn't rate the player doesn't mean you put a big X next to his name and look at other targets.

You could look at a bucketload of very good players that have lost their place at their club, from GK to striker, it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them. Casillas can't get his game in goal anymore, has he suddenly went from one the best keepers in the world to a below par player? I very much doubt it.

We will have to agree to disagree. My own preference would be for Baines but if we got Coentrao I wouldn't be too upset. I just think the way Baines has performed in the PL week in week out for a number of years now would make him a fabulous signing for us.

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When we bought RVP for instance there was no concern about his age on here!

Baines is a class full-back and has been for some time. That's not going to go away because he's a certain age.

The length of time he'll be with us is a separate argument but surely we'd all like to win trophies sooner rather than later.

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Oct 31, 2013 16:51:59 GMT Chelsea Rentboy said:

When we bought RVP for instance there was no concern about his age on here!

Baines is a class full-back and has been for some time. That's not going to go away because he's a certain age.

The length of time he'll be with us is a separate argument but surely we'd all like to win trophies sooner rather than later.

RVP has never relied on his pace whereas it is essential to Baines` game. Look at how A.Coles game has changed as he got into his 30`s. He used to be a very attacking LB but his game has adapted to his legs. Baines will be the same, we require a lot of our full backs so I think we should invest in energy, Baines is a very good player and could provide great service to Hernandez and RVP but so would Contreau, who is quicker, younger and more versatile, which would allow us to bring Blackett through.

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Nov 2, 2013 10:39:15 GMT @deanser said:

Oct 31, 2013 16:51:59 GMT Chelsea Rentboy said:

When we bought RVP for instance there was no concern about his age on here!

Baines is a class full-back and has been for some time. That's not going to go away because he's a certain age.

The length of time he'll be with us is a separate argument but surely we'd all like to win trophies sooner rather than later.

RVP has never relied on his pace whereas it is essential to Baines` game. Look at how A.Coles game has changed as he got into his 30`s. He used to be a very attacking LB but his game has adapted to his legs. Baines will be the same, we require a lot of our full backs so I think we should invest in energy, Baines is a very good player and could provide great service to Hernandez and RVP but so would Contreau, who is quicker, younger and more versatile, which would allow us to bring Blackett through.

You think by signing Coentrao would increase Blackett's chances of making the break through? I don't agree with that. In fact I think Baines who is a little older would be more suited if this is what we are trying to do. Either way I would be happy if we signed either player. Evra has been poor defensively for a few seasons now.

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I do, because Coentrao is equally adept further forward. My issue with Baines is his age and cost, its a short term fix at a high cost. Coentrao is a quality player, who is younger, quicker, has CL and International experience, no brainer IMO.

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Oct 31, 2013 16:51:59 GMT Chelsea Rentboy said:

When we bought RVP for instance there was no concern about his age on here!

Yes there was. Lots in fact.

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Wouldn't we be paying more for Baines than We did RvP aswell ?

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Nov 2, 2013 11:14:08 GMT @deanser said:

I do, because Coentrao is equally adept further forward. My issue with Baines is his age and cost, its a short term fix at a high cost. Coentrao is a quality player, who is younger, quicker, has CL and International experience, no brainer IMO.

Ok but the problem with this logic is the very thing that drives us fans fucking mad. No value etc etc etc. Look to the future and get value for money. Market is inflated. Here and now Baines is a cracking player.