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Post by jimbonda on Aug 7, 2012 18:53:24 GMT
scholes could outthink, out pass and outplay anyone for 60 minutes or so, depending on his fitness and the occasion. but if you are talking about a top 5 midfielder overall then it has to be a player in their prime, or a lot closer to their prime than the prince.
where he stood in his prime is how we'll remember him, although it would be a shame to forget about the impact he made 1) when he returned from his double vision issues in 05/06 when arguably he was back to his best, although maybe in a slightly different role and 2) when he came out of retirement last season. a revelation on both occasions
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Post by Bestie on Aug 8, 2012 1:05:27 GMT
Pretty emphatically, yes. Maybe not in technical terms, but for running and legs, most definitely. In terms of completely dominating football matches I would emphatically say - NO. Scholes, I would say, was easily the best player on the park in about 33% percent of the games he started last season. Can Sahin do that? Can he win us games all by himself? If we had both in our squad I would pick Scholes over Sahin 9 times out of 10. On his day, and it still occurs quite often, Paul Scholes is the best midfielder in the world. Nuri Sahin is not. Sahin can give us something that Scholes can't. Running. So yes, he could dominate games for us. Maybe not in the pulling the strings like a conductor type way of Scholes, but in the boss the shit out of oppo midfields type way like Keane, or Yaya fucking Toure. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 8, 2012 5:24:31 GMT
Sahin can give us something that Scholes can't. Running. and consistent tackling.and he's left footed - fun fact. and, if anyone's watched him you'd know he's got those long cross-field balls down - better than anyone in our squad except Rooney and Scholes at present.So yes, he could dominate games for us. Maybe not in the pulling the strings like a conductor type way of Scholes, but in the boss the shit out of oppo midfields type way like Keane, or Yaya fucking Toure. |
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 8, 2012 6:32:43 GMT
In terms of completely dominating football matches I would emphatically say - NO. Scholes, I would say, was easily the best player on the park in about 33% percent of the games he started last season. Can Sahin do that? Can he win us games all by himself? If we had both in our squad I would pick Scholes over Sahin 9 times out of 10. On his day, and it still occurs quite often, Paul Scholes is the best midfielder in the world. Nuri Sahin is not. Sahin can give us something that Scholes can't. Running. So yes, he could dominate games for us. Maybe not in the pulling the strings like a conductor type way of Scholes, but in the boss the shit out of oppo midfields type way like Keane, or Yaya fucking Toure. I'm not saying Sahin is a bad player, but if he can dominate games like you say he can, why then, would Madrid be so willing to offload him (especially while they keep hold of arguably more inferior players like Diarra)? He had a good reputation at Dortmund. But we hardly saw him play last season. Can it be that Madrid realized he wasn't as good as they thought he was until after they bought him? Besides, any player will only get worse without regular football. Since he hasn't played for a year, I suggest we should wait and watch before claiming he can boss games like Toure??? And from whatever I've seen, he doesn't strike me as a predominantly 'physical' player. More the Carrick types. Sits deep and dictates the tempo. Also, I'd say Michael Carrick is one of the finest long cross-field pass makers in the world. Probably behind Xabi Alonso and Scholes. Definitely better than Rooney. |
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Post by mightyez on Aug 8, 2012 6:41:19 GMT
he was injured lasts season, he is very young and has been in germany since 14 i believe the whole change was tough especially in betting injury after injury.
he is a top player and if we can get him then i would say we should, not for the 20 million some people have mentioned, 15 max, real paid 9 million euros so about 7 million sterling.
15 million would double what they paid and is a more than fair valuation
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 8, 2012 6:47:02 GMT
Madrid cannot develop talent, that's all I'll say Ginger.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 8, 2012 6:53:22 GMT
I agree Jay. But Jose Mourinho is no mug either. He wouldn't let go of a player after only one season if he felt they could contribute to the team in some way.
Maybe it doesn't have much to do with his game per se. Maybe its his injury? Kinda like Hargreaves'? Bayern realized he would turn into a crock, but we didn't? Just putting it out there.
Dunno, I just feel uneasy when buying some big club's rejects.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 6:56:58 GMT
Sahin can give us something that Scholes can't. Running. So yes, he could dominate games for us. Maybe not in the pulling the strings like a conductor type way of Scholes, but in the boss the shit out of oppo midfields type way like Keane, or Yaya fucking Toure. I'm not saying Sahin is a bad player, but if he can dominate games like you say he can, why then, would Madrid be so willing to offload him (especially while they keep hold of arguably more inferior players like Diarra)? He had a good reputation at Dortmund. But we hardly saw him play last season. Can it be that Madrid realized he wasn't as good as they thought he was until after they bought him? Besides, any player will only get worse without regular football. Since he hasn't played for a year, I suggest we should wait and watch before claiming he can boss games like Toure??? And from whatever I've seen, he doesn't strike me as a predominantly 'physical' player. More the Carrick types. Sits deep and dictates the tempo. Also, I'd say Michael Carrick is one of the finest long cross-field pass makers in the world. Probably behind Xabi Alonso and Scholes. Definitely better than Rooney. It's silly to say Madrid wouldn't sell him if he was that good. They sold Sneijder, they sold Robben, 2 superb players, they sold Van Der Vaart, a very good player. They let Beckham go on a free when he was still a very good player. If they don't fancy him anymore then fine, but suggesting he can't be all that else Real wouldn't sell him simply isn't true. They have previous of selling very good players. I still get gloomy thinking we could have just asked for 40 million, Sneijder and Robben for Ronaldo instead of a straight 80 million. |
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 8, 2012 7:08:51 GMT
. I still get gloomy thinking we could have just asked for 40 million, Sneijder and Robben for Ronaldo instead of a straight 80 million. I'm extremely relieved we didn't! Over inflated egos. Both of them. Far more trouble than they're worth. Anyway, back on topic. For Mourinho to come out and state he would be willing to let go of Sahin seems very fishy to me. Almost like he is baiting other clubs to put in their best offers. Also, the fact that he didn't get much of a look in even after his injury last season is very curious. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 8, 2012 10:00:01 GMT
Ahem, ginger, out of the two only Robben is the over-inflated egotistical moron. I don't think Sneijder warrants that charge. I would have LOVED getting Sneijder here that time.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 8, 2012 10:12:46 GMT
Ahem, ginger, out of the two only Robben is the over-inflated egotistical moron. I don't think Sneijder warrants that charge. I would have LOVED getting Sneijder here that time. I posted a link on the Sneijder thread. It was an article on how he was bossy big boots during his time at Ajax. All the way from the youth team up. He always wanted everything to be about himself. |
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Post by traffordbrown on Aug 8, 2012 10:17:20 GMT
Ahem, ginger, out of the two only Robben is the over-inflated egotistical moron. I don't think Sneijder warrants that charge. I would have LOVED getting Sneijder here that time. I posted a link on the Sneijder thread. It was an article on how he was bossy big boots during his time at Ajax. All the way from the youth team up. He always wanted everything to be about himself. Ronaldo? |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 8, 2012 10:18:53 GMT
Sahin can give us something that Scholes can't. Running. and consistent tackling.and he's left footed - fun fact. and, if anyone's watched him you'd know he's got those long cross-field balls down - better than anyone in our squad except Rooney and Scholes at present. #thumb# That too. So yes, he could dominate games for us. Maybe not in the pulling the strings like a conductor type way of Scholes, but in the boss the shit out of oppo midfields type way like Keane, or Yaya fucking Toure. . I still get gloomy thinking we could have just asked for 40 million, Sneijder and Robben for Ronaldo instead of a straight 80 million. I'm extremely relieved we didn't! Over inflated egos. Both of them. Far more trouble than they're worth. Anyway, back on topic. For Mourinho to come out and state he would be willing to let go of Sahin seems very fishy to me. Almost like he is baiting other clubs to put in their best offers. Also, the fact that he didn't get much of a look in even after his injury last season is very curious. Sneijder's a big ego? Dead on mate. On topic, Sahin was injured at the start of the season, it has been said many times before. He didn't get a lot of games after his injury because Madrid had found a midfield that worked. They were gunning for the La Liga title and a European Cup final. Dropping one of your in form midfielders and playing someone who hasn't had a lot of first team football for important games in the run-in would be as mental as playing Ji-Sung Park instead of Antonio Valencia at the Etihad. . . And did you ever think Mourinho might be doing what the Gaffer does, doing the decent thing for a player's career when that player isn't in his plans? |
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 8, 2012 10:29:10 GMT
@traff - I don't remember Ronaldo being too selfish when he was with us. Maybe in his final year, sometimes. But he was our boy. And well, he is Ronaldo. Sneijder is no Ronaldo.
@bestie - Mou could be doing what you're saying. But to be ''acting in the player's interest'' by letting him go only a year after signing him for significant money? You have to feel something isn't right there.
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Post by traffordbrown on Aug 8, 2012 10:32:23 GMT
Don't get me wrong - I love Ronaldo.
Not arrogant - just better.
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