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Post by ratbag on Jun 27, 2012 13:11:14 GMT
Just came across this little compilation....for those who deride Carrick, take a quick look at this and see how he breaks up play very effectively for us...he doesn'y fly into tackles but relies largely on his quick brain allowing him to make timely interceptions...OK, he may not be the creative midfielder that we bought from Spurs but he does the simple things well....
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Post by Bestie on Jun 27, 2012 13:37:06 GMT
That's great excpet we need someone who will go and make a tackle.
I'm a huge Carrick fan by the way, he's a terrific player. I also wish we'd let him loose forward-ly thinking more often than we do. Less concern for defense, more enthusiasm for rapier-attack!
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Post by ratbag on Jun 27, 2012 13:56:48 GMT
I hear what you are saying but Carrick seems to achieve a similar result by great anticipation....we all like good crunching tackle but there is another way....also, it seems sometimes that football is becoming almost a non-contact sport so crunching tackles may become a thing of the past...
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Post by Bestie on Jun 27, 2012 14:25:50 GMT
Sitting off and hoping teams pass it to us is how we ended up losing the League on goal difference and how we ended up losing in two bastarding European Cup finals to Drying-Paint-alona.
Anticipation only gets you so far.
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Post by ratbag on Jun 27, 2012 14:35:00 GMT
Bestie....seems like you are following me around and shooting me down mate....OK, I take your point but Barcelona, shite team that they are really don't have any crunching tackle type players do they? I wouldn't put Busquets in that bracket and beyond him,I can't think of too many....
Hey, maybe you're right and we need someone to put a foot in...as well as anticipate....maybe Phil Jones? I have been wondering whether he would be more effective as a DM anyway....
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Post by karthy on Jun 27, 2012 14:49:43 GMT
As much as Crunching tackles to win football be nice to see , the only result will be a red card for the player doing so , busquets alone is example enough for that , while we need ball winners , it has to be more through hurrying opposition into making mistakes or misplaced passes , more to do by way of closing them down, while Carrick does anticipate the passes he is not the type to hurry the opposition and i presume that when peeps say we need a Box to Box this is what they mean
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Post by Bestie on Jun 27, 2012 14:50:55 GMT
Really? I don't think I have. We are pretty much the only one's posting in this Carrick thread though!
Barcelona don't have "crunching" type players because all their players close men down. I'm not talking about the way we "close down", but actually running all the way over and getting into a players' face before he has time to sniff what way the wind is blowing, nevermind pick a pass. What we do, is jog to about half the distance that was originally between our player and the ball, and hope this will make a player shit himself and give the ball easily. Which doesn't work a lot of the time. Hence we get made to look foolish by teams like, I dunno, Wigan.
Phil Jones putting the foot in from a central midfielders berth is a stellar idea that I myself have advocated on many an occasion. Right on board with that plan!
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Post by karthy on Jun 27, 2012 15:08:36 GMT
exactly what i meant though not sure where it got lost in my post , what i meant is that we need to hurry the opposition and while Carrick can anticipate , he isn't the type of player who will "close down" opposition.
and Yes to Jones in the Mid , although not sure if he fancies it there.
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Post by Stew on Jun 27, 2012 15:13:31 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Carrick play alongside a fit Clevs next season. Good combo I reckon, with some seriously fluid forwards inter-changing in front of them.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jun 27, 2012 16:06:02 GMT
Really? I don't think I have. We are pretty much the only one's posting in this Carrick thread though! Barcelona don't have "crunching" type players because all their players close men down. I'm not talking about the way we "close down", but actually running all the way over and getting into a players' face before he has time to sniff what way the wind is blowing, nevermind pick a pass. What we do, is jog to about half the distance that was originally between our player and the ball, and hope this will make a player shit himself and give the ball easily. Which doesn't work a lot of the time. Hence we get made to look foolish by teams like, I dunno, Wigan. Phil Jones putting the foot in from a central midfielders berth is a stellar idea that I myself have advocated on many an occasion. Right on board with that plan! Yeah, I'd agree with all of that. We don't necessarily need a van Bommel type who cuts people I half. We need players who can get tight and physically break up the play, by getting a tackle in, making a block, intimidation, the odd bit of nasty left on someone's ankle etc. Carrick glides around and tends to get in the way of things, but there were too many times last season where the other team would get into a rhythm and we couldn't get near them for large stretches. I'm not sure if that's a personnel issue or a tactical/coaching issue though. |
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Post by Dan United on Jun 27, 2012 16:10:02 GMT
I have always been a fan of Carrick, and always thought he'd return to form when he was in the middle of his, admittedly very long, slump. He is good at reading the game and his passing accuracy is consistently high.
Unfortunately, he doesn't do crunching tackles, doesn't often score and most of the time passes simply, therefore he just doesn't catch the eye and get the recognition he deserves.
I do agree with Bestie though - I'd love a midfielder throwing himself into tackles. In that video there's a few examples where Carrick just toe pokes the ball away from the opponent to one of his teammates. I found myself watching it thinking "clatter him".
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Post by karthy on Jun 27, 2012 16:21:18 GMT
He doesn't often score because he is asked to sit back and do a mid filed patrol , the fact that he could surge ahead and score was evident in this season albeit only twice , he still has in it him, just can't use it as his role is different
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Post by jimbonda on Jun 27, 2012 16:28:36 GMT
he's similar to xabi alonso, and alonso usually plays next to someone who can put their foot in. we need that sort of player, but i'd argue we need that player to go box to box rather than camp in our own half. this would be the perfect partner for carrick. there are players out there who fit the bill.
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Post by Dan United on Jun 27, 2012 16:28:48 GMT
I'm not criticising him for not scoring enough. I'm saying that because he doesn't do crunching tackles/ score often etc, a lot of people don't appreciate his contribution, so he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
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Post by karthy on Jun 27, 2012 16:36:31 GMT
Aye, that i agree , but then most of our players will get slacked pretty quickly or devalued instantly.
Chico was a hit in the first season , this season , he is had pretty much everything, though he has been injure for quite some time and still manage to get into double digits in the goals department.
Carrick is one of those "unpopular" players
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