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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 19:31:58 GMT
They've proven it with probability from what i've taken from the past week. You have to remember that this was a 40 year old theory and this things existence pretty much proves they were right and allows them to continue on the same track now and uncover more stuff. There are spin offs from this stuff, people will ask ok we spent billions to smash things together but what do we get for it?. Knowledge and nothing more. And I find that a highly depressing thought, I hope others do too. I'm not really sure I follow your point Carbon, do you understand what scientific theory is? yes i do but what I'm saying is that no one can actually verify these findings as there only happens to be one collider which is capable of the said verification. what I'm saying in my previous post is that just because they say its true - it doesnt mean that it is. They after all have to justify the obscene amounts of money used up so far.. Until i see actual verification then i call shenanigans |
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Post by fletchabey on Jul 9, 2012 20:10:51 GMT
Ahh I see, I have seen reference to a second team thats doing separate investigation into the Higgs Boson we might see their data at some point in the future.
Still, the data they have reached the sigma 5 level of uncertainty. I think the analogy of the that something like the equivalent of rolling heads on a coin toss 20 times in a row, meaning what their recording is a real deal and not by chance. It was given discovery status which means the data has also been independently verified, I believe. Seems a bit harsh to call shenanigans, alothough there is that 0.0001% (or something) margin of error.
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Post by redcase on Jul 9, 2012 20:35:03 GMT
And I find that a highly depressing thought, I hope others do too. I'm not really sure I follow your point Carbon, do you understand what scientific theory is? yes i do but what I'm saying is that no one can actually verify these findings as there only happens to be one collider which is capable of the said verification. what I'm saying in my previous post is that just because they say its true - it doesnt mean that it is. They after all have to justify the obscene amounts of money used up so far.. Until i see actual verification then i call shenanigans If you remember, 5 months ago, when there was a furore about this, it was dismissed as shenanigans. This was the verification that they WEREN'T. |
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Post by redcase on Jul 9, 2012 20:36:20 GMT
And fletch, 5 sigma is a statistical significance that the chance that your data is wrong is 1 in 3 million or something like that. Which is pretty solid.
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Post by redcase on Jul 9, 2012 20:43:50 GMT
Johnboy, you're right. To call this study a waste would be terrible. electricity was around for 2000 years since early 600BC as a theoretical concept before in the 1800s the first electric battery to produce a current was constructed by aleassandro volta. If it took that long for harnessing electricity, then imagine the wait till we finally see machines to make use of the information and knowledge attained by studying the higgs boson. Nobody said it would be instantaneously put to practical use, in fact, I don't think there will be any such thing in our lifetime at least. But , in a 100 years, why not? The knowledge of its existence is the first step.
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Post by ginger18legend on Jul 9, 2012 20:55:04 GMT
Err. That is akin to saying the discovery of the electromagnetic spectrum was a waste of money because it was purely knowledge! Well duh! Everything is purely knowledge to begin with. You couldn't make an MRI machine without knowing how it works, could you? Its easy to be critical of expenditure when we understand very little about what its contributing to. I bet if they had used the same kind of money towards building a chain of malls you would have thought it was money well spent. That attitude is very cavemanish. There are people out there who want to help make a difference for the future of our species. Lets be supportive rather than slating them without even trying to understand what they're working towards, eh? Im not rubbishing the discovery despite sounding like that. When i say they obtained knowledge thats exactly what they did, there not gonna go into the labs tomorrow and build an anti matter engine or cold fusion chamber but a better understanding of your natural environment can help. I don't necessarily think it was money wasted because this research is one of the things that keeps this country ticking for example. Ah. I'll read conversations more thoroughly before reacting  My rant would be directed against Carbon now, I suppose. Also, I've not seen anyone more passionate about anything non United on this board as redcase is for this!  Heck, even Ameri Ichinose didn't provoke such a reaction from anyone!! |
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Post by redcase on Jul 9, 2012 21:27:07 GMT
Haha cheers ginger ! With regards to Ameri Ichinose, the fact that there was no reaction on this board speaks volumes about where the real actions were taking place I suppose |
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Post by ginger18legend on Jul 10, 2012 9:44:13 GMT
Hear hear |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jul 10, 2012 10:18:43 GMT
And fletch, 5 sigma is a statistical significance that the chance that your data is wrong is 1 in 3 million or something like that. Which is pretty solid. Not wrong necessarily, statistically speaking, it refers to the chance of your data being as a result of chance and therefore not significant. |
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