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Post by jimbonda on Aug 20, 2012 15:39:49 GMT
Excellent point, hadn't thought of that. Very clever thinking. But I certainly don't think the scene which reveals the autopilot was repaired is proof of anything. Just there to plant the idea that he might have survived. I just think all these little details were chucked in by Nolan to give the viewer the choice to believe either outcome. I choose to believe Batman gave his life for Gotham. You choose, incorrectly, to believe Batman ejected....(Joking) *Shakes fist*. Oh you. #nono# As I said, the auto-pilot thing screams Chekov's Gun. It was mentioned as being broken at least three times that I can remember, before it was revealed as being fixed. The set-up (it's bust), and the pay-off (actually the sneaky begger fixed it) only leaves one option for me. But again, as I said, that's just the writer in me. I hate the idea that they would just drop the 'it's fixed' thing in after emphasising that it's broken more than once just to plant an idea. It isn't like Inception, for example, where the whole film was based on greater subtlety and misdirection. For all the masks in Nolan's Batman, the trilogy has been pretty on-the-nose in each installment. without wanting to blatantly double-team traffordbrown while the refs back is turned i agree with this pretty much word for word. i won't even try to add anything to it because this is nail on head stuff from my point of view. i know where you are coming from traffo about using some creative / imaginative license, we all do that. lets all get our heads together and write a script  |
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Post by traffordbrown on Aug 20, 2012 15:42:45 GMT
Heh, no worries jimbo. I like a healthy debate - especially about such an awesome movie as this.
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 20, 2012 15:49:07 GMT
one thing i know i am pretty much alone in thinking is that batman begins was better than the dark knight.
actually scratch that. the dark knight is indeed better than batman begins and TDKR...i just prefer Batman Begins, i've watched it more times than Dark Knight. i love watching films that involve journeys and hardship and transformations and Batman Begins was all about that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:20:36 GMT
one thing i know i am pretty much alone in thinking is that batman begins was better than the dark knight. actually scratch that. the dark knight is indeed better than batman begins and TDKR...i just prefer Batman Begins, i've watched it more times than Dark Knight. i love watching films that involve journeys and hardship and transformations and Batman Begins was all about that I think if it wasnt for Heath Ledgers performance everyone would agree with you on that one. Was a bit confused when I read people saying does he live etc before i watch it, then saw at the end he was alive, kinda wondered why people thought he was dead or not. But then I realised the dream Alfred was on about. Be a good while until I see a film like this again and itll be a lifetime until I see a trilogy like this. Next film going to see Bourne Legacy which im hoping will deliver just as much and will hopefully shake off the "matt damon" edge and let Renner excel and take the credit for it as I think hes a quality actor. |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 21, 2012 8:59:45 GMT
yeah i'm gonna see that.
are you another Matt Damon basher paul?
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Post by Rene Meulensteen on Aug 21, 2012 12:08:26 GMT
Glad to see theres a thread going for this absolute EPIC of a film.
Have seen it twice now, once in regular and once in IMAX out in the states and I'm going to see it again on Friday it was that good.
Been reading the debate about whether or not Batman is dead and I have to admit at first I didn't realise the whole Auto-Pilot had been fixed, not sure how I missed that so I was already thinking 'Yep, he's dead, it was Alfred's fantasy that he's alive and well'. Then being told that the Auto-Pilot had been fixed I was more leaning toward the fact that he was indeed alive, which I'm glad about, although, the bomb had a 6 mile radius so it would have had to have been some ejection for him to miss it and not get seen by anyone!
As for the ranking of the films, after watching all of them in a row I would say it goes from back to front, I love the storyline of Batman Begins, I love knowing how a character we all know already started out and his path to where he is now but for me it was too, 'Gothic' and absent from reality. If you look at the later 2 films they're both set in modern day cities with modern day looks whereas Batman Begins had this fantasy feel about it which, IMO, made it look a bit cheap compared to the other two, just my opinion though!
Great movie though, can't wait to see it again and eventually get it on Blu-Ray!
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 21, 2012 16:58:10 GMT
2) Where was 'The Hole', and how did Bruce even get back to America with no I. D. and no money? What happened to the guy who was paid to take care of him in the prison. Is it even a prison, with inmates being allowed to try to escape all the time.When he got out Wayne did through a rope down for them, so I assume they all got out. You said you understood what Bane said at all times and he precisely explained why it had the opening and why they were allowed to climb. Because only with hope for escape can they truly be punished. Like he said to Wayne he wasn't afraid of dying so its no real punishment for him. Only 1 person before wayne had actually got out, Talia. In many respects that theme continued right to the end. Only when Batman had defeated Bane and had the hope of saving Gotham did he get stabbed in the back. The whole thing was pretty much set for Talia's revenge, more so than the league of shadows true motivation. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 21, 2012 18:47:54 GMT
2) Where was 'The Hole', and how did Bruce even get back to America with no I. D. and no money? What happened to the guy who was paid to take care of him in the prison. Is it even a prison, with inmates being allowed to try to escape all the time.When he got out Wayne did through a rope down for them, so I assume they all got out. You said you understood what Bane said at all times and he precisely explained why it had the opening and why they were allowed to climb. Because only with hope for escape can they truly be punished. Like he said to Wayne he wasn't afraid of dying so its no real punishment for him. Only 1 person before wayne had actually got out, Talia. In many respects that theme continued right to the end. Only when Batman had defeated Bane and had the hope of saving Gotham did he get stabbed in the back. The whole thing was pretty much set for Talia's revenge, more so than the league of shadows true motivation. Yeah, I get all that. I just meant is it a prison or some kind of slow-burn torture place instead. There were other things about 'The Hole' I didn't get either. Bane wanted Bruce to watch as Gotham was destroyed, but how did he know Bruce didn't just kill himself at the first chance? Or did he not actually care. He intended to come back, probably, once the nuclear reactor exploded to kill Bruce Wayne if he was to make good on his (INCREDIBLY BADASS) "permission to die" statement. Unless he just meant that the guy would stop looking after Bruce once Gotham went up in nuclear flames? Bane was paying/threatening the guy to keep Bruce alive, would he not have been checking up on him, making sure Bruce wasn't dead for some reason? (I think he could have just trusted that the guy would keep Wayne alive out of fear and stuff, but still.) |
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Post by redcase on Aug 21, 2012 19:50:51 GMT
Fantastic movie. Although there are some parts unexplained as bestie so greatly listed them out, it was a superb end from Nolan.
I thought Bane, although he did put up a solid performance, cannot touch Ledger with Joker. That performance will go down in history as probably one of the greatest portrayals of a villain in cinema history. His death after that role cemented him as an enigma.
I would have liked a bit more back story on Bane though. Bit more about him as a character, bit more about his mask etc. Though Talia, although played well in the movie by Ctillard, could have been done without and they could have enhanced the Bane character.
Apart from those minor gripes, absolutely LOVED the movie.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 21, 2012 21:09:11 GMT
At Bestie I misunderstood what you meant, I see now. They never fully explained what precisely the prison was for I don't think. Just a rather not nice place to be. I think it was more metaphorical importance of the hole rather than the fully fleshed story behind it, it being similar to the well he fell down as a kid. I thought Bane, although he did put up a solid performance, cannot touch Ledger with Joker. That performance will go down in history as probably one of the greatest portrayals of a villain in cinema history. His death after that role cemented him as an enigma. I would have liked a bit more back story on Bane though. Bit more about him as a character, bit more about his mask etc. Though Talia, although played well in the movie by Ctillard, could have been done without and they could have enhanced the Bane character. Apart from those minor gripes, absolutely LOVED the movie. Bane though was different there were some filmed scenes to his backstory that didn't make the cut. Not sure where they would have put it in due to the twist, so maybe they'll crop up on the DVD. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 21:19:16 GMT
yeah i'm gonna see that. are you another Matt Damon basher paul? Not at all mate, think hes a quality actor, not many films hes been in I dont like. What I meant was you get these follow up films with new actors and after people watch them they compare them to the original actors if you get what I mean. Hoped Renner would escape from the whole "hes not going to be as good as Damon". Just to update you Jim went to watch it tonight and to be fair I'm not quite sure what to make of it, walked out of there a bit bemused. Was plenty of action in it don't get me wrong but some parts didn't quite fit the mold. I mean there wasn't a solid plot. After you've watched it you might understand what I mean but I'm a little disappointed because I think Renner and Weisz are both very good, there is going to be another one no doubt so I wont be too harsh on it, wasn't a bad film but it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Perhaps its because after Batman this week the standard had been raised so didn't feel the same when I walked out. |
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Post by reddub on Aug 25, 2012 7:31:42 GMT
In a weird way, the funniest line of the movie is-
'This isn't a car'.
Have to admit a few people did laugh at that.
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Post by Stew on Aug 25, 2012 8:35:59 GMT
ONe slight issue I had with Dark Knight Rises, and a lot of films are suffering from this with Promethous a prime example, was that so many of the good pars were in the final trailer. I know it's a huge part of the marketing campaign but surely people were going to go to see this anyway. The football pitch being blown up, the batwing(?) I think could have been left out as they took away from them in the movie for me a bit. Quite a few friends of mine have now stopped watching trailers altogether because of this. i might go the same way.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 25, 2012 11:24:16 GMT
In fairness, as soon as we all saw people going to the football stadium, we knew 'major shit was about to go down'. It was (I think) supposed to be a big set-up to all the other stuff we hadn't seen in the trailer. The sewer entrances trapping the police force, the bridges exploding in sequence, the random streets blowing up and general chaos. I agree with you actually that they could have just shown some of the random streets exploding in the trailer, but I'm pretty convinced they were trying to show the stadium as the biggest set-piece whe really it was the whole city going up in flames.
Totally agree the Batwing should have been kept out of it. They should have just had allusions to it in the trailer.
One of the reasons I think film trailers have started putting a load of the 'main' parts into trailers is the internet. It can be so easy for people to access to leaked photos of filming and things that maybe the studios look at it as: It could be leaked anyway, we might as well advertise with it'.
I'm not a fan of it either.
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 19:47:55 GMT
yeah i'm gonna see that. are you another Matt Damon basher paul? Not at all mate, think hes a quality actor, not many films hes been in I dont like. What I meant was you get these follow up films with new actors and after people watch them they compare them to the original actors if you get what I mean. Hoped Renner would escape from the whole "hes not going to be as good as Damon". Just to update you Jim went to watch it tonight and to be fair I'm not quite sure what to make of it, walked out of there a bit bemused. Was plenty of action in it don't get me wrong but some parts didn't quite fit the mold. I mean there wasn't a solid plot. After you've watched it you might understand what I mean but I'm a little disappointed because I think Renner and Weisz are both very good, there is going to be another one no doubt so I wont be too harsh on it, wasn't a bad film but it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Perhaps its because after Batman this week the standard had been raised so didn't feel the same when I walked out. nice one. hope the next one is the original director and bourne. |
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