9/11

[Rene Meulensteen]

Anyone tend to have any views on this? Always seems to be a rush of documentaries on it around this time.

Personally it still sits strong in the memory for me, still can't believe such a thing happened! I still find all the documentaries fascinating and every year there seems to be new stories of survival.

Anyone who hasn't seen the Docu-film 9/11 done by two french film makers on the morning of 9/11 should definitely give it a watch, they were filming a rookie as part of a film they were doing and were out on the morning and caught everything from outside and inside the towers.

[redcase]

Still think it was orchestrated by Bush and Co. as an excuse to have carte blanche while invading any Muslim country.

Sickening disaster though. Feel for all those who died and their relatives.

[jimbonda]

i've seen a few docs. 'The Falling Man' is probably the best one i've seen. unimaginable choice between cooking or jumping out the top of a skyscraper. never been able to get my head around that, or the people looking out of windows watching planes heading straight at them

there are some interesting talking points supporting conspiracy theories. the intact passports of the terrorists found amongst the rubble

[Deleted]

have you seen the '2 cents' doc about it?

it was defiantly an inside job - so many issues with the 'official' account

[tommyred]

Definitely eh?

[jimbonda]

Definitely Maybe.

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[jimbonda]

also:

defiantly an inside job he said. so it was an inside job, but they flipped the bird at the US public whilest they did it

[SAF_Legend]

Have to disagree here, this is what I think:

So... the US thinks it better to cripple it's economy significantly, impacting global economy, allowing her main rival (China) to reduce the economical gap to the US, kills almost close to 3000 of her own citizens, destroys companies, halting productivity, spending more money to rebuild damaged structures and damage lives, and put a big hole in one of her biggest Cities to "justify" a war which is currently labelled a "never-ending" war that would cost them to the trillions?

Personally, this is another one of the "Americans never went to the moon" or "Muslims are slowly taking over the world" conspiracy theories.

I think everyone notices - terrorist attacks do not only occur in the US, it occurs everywhere, including our very own 7/7 bombings. It has a very profound effects on a nation and people's lives, which ultimately, costs big bucks and an inconceivable amount of time for any Government to restore. No amount of oil nor foreign soil can replace that cost - in fact, it will only compound the cost. Even if I had to discard the lives that has been lost (bless their souls), this would make zero business sense.

The only thing I can understand is if people question the real reason behind launching an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq - (i) whether the Bush and Blair administration really had believed that WMDs had been found; (ii) oiloiloiloiloiloil; (iii) American regional influence interests; (iv) bringing freedom, peace and blah blah blah; etc. Personally, I believe the real reason number (ii) and (iii) and to protect American interests in that region, the rest are "good" enough reasons to bring America (and us as a lap dog) to war. However, personally, I hope that the war had brought about a good change for the lives of people in the middle-east. I really do, for all that shit they have to go through. Also, let's not forget that we've seen this conflict (not invasion) before in the 1990's Gulf War and many disagreements before that, so there's already bad blood between said parties.

Using the terrorist attack as a casus belli is one thing, but saying that the Government or Governments killed their own people to make up a reason to attack the middle east is another.

Finally. A secret so big, can never be kept a secret.



On how I feel about the 9/11 and all other terrorist attacks: the people who died in any terrorist attacks have my utmost pity, and I wish all of their souls to RIP. Like Jim says, it's difficult to fathom what or how a person would have really felt in that building, staring out of the building to see an aeroplane coming, and not having enough time to run. Or how a person can be sitting at his desk, and boom. Life gone. I also really sympathise with the victims and their families... how they can ever cope, they have my admiration. Any kind of destruction and loss of lives is a tragedy today.

[Coogie]

11 years ago tomorrow man.. thats crazy.. it was day before the start of my final year at school and it still seems like only yest...

[Vidic>Superman]

As an American Studies student, this is something I am particularly interested in. I've watched many documentaries on the attacks and I've yet to see anything that stops me from thinking that at the very least, the government allowed the attacks to happen. There are far too many things which would have to be coincidences, that I just can't buy.

George Bush's schedule was released around a week before the attacks, so anyone that wanted to know could have known exactly where he was going to be at any point during the day of September 11th. I'm sure we've all seen the footage of a member of his staff whispering to him, stating I believe, that the second World Trade Center had been hit. If you believed your President to be in danger, you would remove him from where he was and take him to a safe location. Why would you leave him there unless you knew for certain that he was safe? And how could you know for certain that he was safe if it was a terrorist attack where little or no previous knowledge of it had existed? Doesn't add up.

I visited Ground Zero and the WTC Visitors Center last year and seeing wall upon wall of pictures of those that lost their lives was possibly the most upsetting thing I've seen, but there are too many questions that still need to be answered for me to believe the official report.

Still barely seems real even today.

[Bestie]

Tin hats out lads. Nobody is insane enough to kill 3000 of their own people.

Instead of debating if it was a conspiracy or not, couldn't we just agree it's a tragedy?

[SAF_Legend]

Sept 10, 2012 13:45:15 GMT Bestie said:

Tin hats out lads. Nobody is insane enough to kill 3000 of their own people.

Instead of debating if it was a conspiracy or not, couldn't we just agree it's a tragedy?

I think all of us here agrees it is a tragedy, and I'm sure we had all mourned for them in some way.

But there are some interesting points on why some here believe that it's a conspiracy. And since it doesn't seem to get out of hand, perhaps we could get a good debate going out of this?

[Rene Meulensteen]

Sept 10, 2012 13:45:15 GMT Bestie said:

Tin hats out lads. Nobody is insane enough to kill 3000 of their own people.

Instead of debating if it was a conspiracy or not, couldn't we just agree it's a tragedy?

Well said.

I think people will make up their own minds as to what happened, you could make a conspiracy theory to any story given long enough to pick the details apart.

I admit, there are parts of that day that are still 'unresolved' for my liking but as always around this time you have to think about the victims and families of the lost.

I reckon I've seen almost every documentary going now about this and every time I see a body falling from the tower it makes me wince.

[jimbonda]

Sept 10, 2012 13:30:31 GMT Vidic>Superman said:

George Bush's schedule was released around a week before the attacks, so anyone that wanted to know could have known exactly where he was going to be at any point during the day of September 11th. I'm sure we've all seen the footage of a member of his staff whispering to him, stating I believe, that the second World Trade Center had been hit. If you believed your President to be in danger, you would remove him from where he was and take him to a safe location. Why would you leave him there unless you knew for certain that he was safe? And how could you know for certain that he was safe if it was a terrorist attack where little or no previous knowledge of it had existed? Doesn't add up.

this is interesting, not seen this point brought up before. has anyone heard owt else about this?

[Bestie]

Sept 10, 2012 14:16:25 GMT Rene Meulensteen said:

Sept 10, 2012 13:45:15 GMT Bestie said:

Tin hats out lads. Nobody is insane enough to kill 3000 of their own people.

Instead of debating if it was a conspiracy or not, couldn't we just agree it's a tragedy?

Well said.

I think people will make up their own minds as to what happened, you could make a conspiracy theory to any story given long enough to pick the details apart.

I admit, there are parts of that day that are still 'unresolved' for my liking but as always around this time you have to think about the victims and families of the lost.

I reckon I've seen almost every documentary going now about this and every time I see a body falling from the tower it makes me wince.

Me too. But anytime I think of 9/11 there's a crushing feeling right in the middle of my chest and I feel empty inside. So I take a pass on the conspiracy theories!

I was in the towers 6 weeks before, on holiday. There's a picture of me pretending to fall out one of the windows in the restaurant. We even talked about how planes would be level or lower than where we were eating. It's pretty haunting.