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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 17, 2013 22:41:15 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-give-jeff-schlupp-trial-but-lose-darren-fletcher-8456579.htmlManchester United have taken the young Leicester City attacker Jeff Schlupp on trial with a view to signing him on a permanent deal. Schlupp, 20, has been training at Carrington with the permission of his parent club, who have a close relationship with United and have taken players on loan from the Premier League club in the past. The young United defender Michael Keane has recently extended his loan at Leicester and forward Jesse Lingard, another young United player, has just returned from a loan spell there. Schlupp is relatively inexperienced even in Championship football and has not played in the first team since November. He is a striker who can operate on the left and has also played some games at left-back for the club. He broke into the side last season having played on loan at Brentford in the 2010-2011 season. A product of the Leicester academy, Schlupp made an immediate impact when he broke through into the first team at the start of last season and scored a hat-trick on his debut away to Rotherham United in the League Cup. He played fairly regularly last season in spite of injuries. He is a senior Ghana international, his one cap coming in November last year. Previous to that he played junior international football for Germany – he was born in Hamburg before moving to England as a youngster. He underwent knee surgery last season but the club still gave him a new contract until 2015. There have been a number of players developed at United who have gone to Leicester in recent seasons. The club currently have three in their first-team squad: the defender Ritchie De Laet and the midfielders Danny Drinkwater and Matty James.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 8:23:04 GMT
he strikes me as a bit of a miserable fucker
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Post by Bestie on Jan 18, 2013 9:44:01 GMT
"Schlupping" means travelling begrudgingly, so maybe it's just the commute that's gotten him down?
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 18, 2013 11:47:17 GMT
Sign him, bung him in the reserves, never see him again. Sounds about right.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 18, 2013 12:27:14 GMT
Sign him, bung him in the reserves, never see him again , sell him for at best what we paid but likely anything over £ 0 is a bonus. Sounds about right. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 20, 2013 10:49:23 GMT
standards are high at united lads. our reserves generally aren't good enough.
it's the minority who are and they are the small minority who make the first team.
an even smaller minority throw it away
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Post by Bestie on Jan 20, 2013 12:59:33 GMT
Well, with most of our reserves we'll never know, will we? It isn't like they get a plethora of chances in the first team.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 20, 2013 18:07:53 GMT
Well, with most of our reserves we'll never know, will we? It isn't like they get a plethora of chances in the first team. This +1 They may not be good enough but as Bestie says, we will never know with the majority..... |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 20, 2013 18:21:28 GMT
if they aren't getting the chances then they're not good enough. or do u suggest we do a lottery system where we throw a kid or 2 in at certain time even if no-one fancies them to make it? serious question
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Post by karthy on Jan 20, 2013 18:34:30 GMT
Alternate theory.. i don' think that all or the lot of reserves are going to be First Team United quality but some of them are and were whom we have lost.
But the fact that they aren't getting game time, IMO, is not to do with being bad but more to do with the fact that we no longer seem to able to take the risk or gamble of playing a 17-18 YO's in the first team ( i'd say due to the Debt by Glazers but that's just my opinion).
I don't really think that we will see the times of Beckham-giggs-scholes-Neville's breaking in any more.
Results are more to do with revenue now and well Glazers don't want that Fucked up quite simply.
so the route will always be loan deals to rovers.peterbrough, wigans and the likes for 2 season's before you can look at a shot at United XI.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 21, 2013 10:57:58 GMT
Jim, I refuse to believe that NONE of them are good enough....and the lottery thing isn't a serious question....there are games and there are times in games when it might be sensible to blood certain players...it isn't like we have a great team of irreplaceable players that always play at the top of their game...
I'm not suggesting going all gung-ho and chucking players in willy nilly but a measured and considered approach could do wonders for some of the younger players....
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 21, 2013 11:19:00 GMT
Jim, I refuse to believe that NONE of them are good enough....and the lottery thing isn't a serious question.... it is, i asked it. i was serious. perhaps lottery isn't the right word. let's look at it this way. if privately ferguson and his staff don't feel any of the current crop of reserves are going to make it in the first team. should they attempt to throw one or a couple in for a run of games anyway? league games that is? to see if they are wrong? they don't often get it wrong do they. forget the pogba argument, a contract was sat on the table and he turned it down. how many lads have we released who have gone on to have good careers to the extent that we regretted letting them go? not many, if any. some people seem inclined to be suspicious that players they like in the reserves aren't getting in. it's ferguson or phelans short sightedness, stubborness or whatever it is. other people [including myself] generally trusts the system, that united as a club and no less under fergusons reign has a good record of bringing through the kids and even moving on seniors to make way - IF THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH. if a reserve player isn't in the first team it's because he's either not good enough or not ready, it's really as simple as that, and in rare cases because there's an issue or a problem with the player. |
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Post by ratbag on Jan 21, 2013 11:27:51 GMT
It's a fair point about United 'rejects' (harsh word but can't think of another just now) go on to have stellar careers - Pique hasn't done too bad, Rossi did OK - I am sure there are others but granted not that many. Sometimes I wonder whether it is just the player or who he gets to play with that defines how good the player becomes...some players blossom in the right environment and some fade when they go to a lesser club...maybe the confidence knock that goes with rejection affects them.
In any case, I do generally trust the management but I also feel they can be a little slow in bringing young players through....maybe the loan system is the way it is done these days but it doesn't feel right somehow.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 21, 2013 15:53:01 GMT
right, lets clear this up:
Pique WANTED TO LEAVE as he knew he wasn't going to get ahead of Rio and Vidic at the time. Which was right - they were one of the best pairings in the world at the time. When his old club came calling United agreed to sell him. What were they going to do - force him to stay? At the same time,Evans was more than willing to wait for his chance, which is why he stayed.
Rossi had RVN, Rooney, Saha & Smith to contend with. And we were all hoping Ole would come back too. He was given a couple loan spells but didnt do too much. The club received a good offer for him and took it. Forlan was written off here too and did better in Spain - were the club wrong to sell him too?
Jim is spot on - "if a reserve player isn't in the first team it's because he's either not good enough or not ready, it's really as simple as that, and in rare cases because there's an issue or a problem with the player."
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Post by ratbag on Jan 21, 2013 16:36:02 GMT
I'm not sure how hard we tried to keep Pique...jim's question was about players we had released and then perhaps regretted it....Pique was released (for whatever reason) as a youngster and I dare say that Fergie may have regretted that parting... Still from what you say, we never get it wrong...I'm just suggesting that if we persevered with some of the youngsters, we could maybe have developed them into top players.... I believe that as a club, we can develop players better than some others...I believe that we developed Ronaldo for instance...he was always going to be a good player but we worked with him to make him one of the world's best...who knows - if he had gone somewhere else it may not have worked out so well...it's all just speculation of course as we will never know...it's just an opinion and like arseholes, we've all got one  |
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