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Post by Bestie on Nov 22, 2013 10:31:53 GMT
One one side, people will claim that Messi needed the HGH to develop a relatively normal life full stop, and the fact he he supremely talented as a footballer comes as a secondary consideration.
On the other, would Barcelona have paid all that money for his continued treatment right though his teens if he wasn't going to be a good footballer for them? No.
It wasn't a level playing field. Imagine if Ronaldo had dispensation for some reason to use HGH - not that he needs any really - how much quicker would he be? Stronger? Able to jump higher and get his head on a cross?
What if Paul Scholes, who could have been considered too small at various stages of his career, had been given the drugs. Or think strikers, like Guiseppe Rossi. He's only about 5' 8". As a centre-forward wouldn't an extra few inches of growth have been hugely beneficial to his career? Maybe, maybe not, but he is a good striker with his natural physical stature and his ability, so we will never know what an extra few inches could have added.
Messi has had to have the talent to back it up, of course. But in my eyes, he got an advantage on every other player in the world. Whether he still takes the HGH now is largely irrelevant for me. He took it during the most important stage of his physical development and he couldn't be playing professional football without it. Say his talent not playing would be a loss to the game, that's fair enough, but I counter by saying how good are others you have never heard of with dwarfism, medical conditions, or even early career-ending injuries? How good could Ben Thornley have been? Fergie says one of the best. Would HGH have improved his recovery from his career ending injury?
Messi is a product of imbalance. Everyone who gets their tails in such a wag over him should remember that once in a while.
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Post by NR7 on Nov 22, 2013 10:46:17 GMT
That's a hideous suit. Is he on juices specialized diet again? Anyone who believes he is a nice person is having a laugh. Midget cunt Comparing this cuntelona side with any of the great teams of the past is a disgrace. Half the squad are massive disgusting cheating diving cunts.. so to summarise.... you really like Barca? more than you can ever imagine!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 11:59:53 GMT
The whole reason I joined ROM was to get people's opinion on Messi using HGH. it was right after the Armstrong thing and I couldn't believe there was zero articles by a professional journalist discussing his use of HGH. For me it % 100 gave him an unnatural body in the same way Arnie using steroids did or Armstrong cheating did.
I actually think that the issue is with Barca more than Messi though and they actually had Armstrong doctor on the pay role. They are ruthless and need to be looked into.
It's also possible football will have a cycling period when someone actually checks them up properly for ped's because they really don't do much now.
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Post by NR7 on Nov 22, 2013 13:11:43 GMT
That's a hideous suit. Is he on juices specialized diet again? Anyone who believes he is a nice person is having a laugh. Midget cunt Comparing this cuntelona side with any of the great teams of the past is a disgrace. Half the squad are massive disgusting cheating diving cunts.. Bit of a ridiculous statement if I may say. There as good as any of the great teams. Ask anyone whos seen Ajax of the 70s or the great Hungarian or Brazilian teams and they will tell you so. Bit hypocritical considering the team Ronaldo plays for is full of diving cheats. I think Ronaldo warrants the Ballon D'or because he's had a great season for club and country and four goals in a huge game with that kind of pressure is massive but I don't get this Messi bashing. One of the greatest players ever if not the best ever and we have a thread putting him in the same light as Lance Armstrong. Unclear why you have brought that up. Nobody is denying Madrid is a rotten club with a whole bunch of cheats.. 2 extraordinary years does not maketh a great team. Coz they are dominating a 2 horse league? Big fucking deal. We won 5 in 7 yrs in a vastly more competitive league. Or 2 CL wins in 3 (one of which they never should even have even reached the final)? We reached 3 finals in 4 and Bayern 3 consecutive ones. I will tell you what I also saw; "greatest team ever" getting obliterated 7-0 in CL. If Messi was the difference, then they unarguably are the greatest one man team ever. 3 exceptional individuals happened to play their best football @ the same time is what happened and now teams have them figured out. Inter, Chelsea and even fucking Celtic. Jose eventually had Barca's number. Great teams are supposed to find a FAIR way to win, no? It's fundamentally wrong to compare players and teams across generations. Last I checked, back then, flair players got the living shit kicked out of them. Playing a zillion useless tippy tappy triangles and boring the fuck outta everyone is not entertaining, anymore so than parking the bus. Media and some fans have their collective heads deep up the self righteous cunting cunts arses. Anyway, my original point was the cunts are devoid of any class or grace and Messi is a massive cunt: Exhibit a) I'm oh so good that I will default token amount of 4.2 million in taxes Exhibit b) I have the biggest dick, when threatened will simply mope around in training and get my challenger marginalized Exhibit c) I'm Messi, so, my god given right to act petulant and kick the ball towards Madrid fans Yet, Messi is the saint and Ronnie who is the prick. Yeah sure!! |
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Post by NR7 on Nov 22, 2013 13:18:39 GMT
The whole reason I joined ROM was to get people's opinion on Messi using HGH. it was right after the Armstrong thing and I couldn't believe there was zero articles by a professional journalist discussing his use of HGH. For me it % 100 gave him an unnatural body in the same way Arnie using steroids did or Armstrong cheating did. I actually think that the issue is with Barca more than Messi though and they actually had Armstrong doctor on the pay role. They are ruthless and need to be looked into. It's also possible football will have a cycling period when someone actually checks them up properly for ped's because they really don't do much now. Fuentes is laying low and there are frequent injuries in the Barca camp  Coincidence?? |
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Post by NR7 on Nov 22, 2013 13:35:33 GMT
To be honest Id like to see a united team that can keep it for more than 10 seconds instead of Rio attempting his awful calculated punts. No arguments there mate On Messi, he took HGH no doubts ok, but it was because he had a natural deficiency that could only be corrected by taking it. Was it in any way life threatening?? I sure as hell have seen a few vertically challenged people, who get on just fine. Only, they most likely are limited in their physical abilities. Messi would have had no hope in hell of making it as an athlete. So long as there is no conclusive evidence that he HAD to take it and not an ounce more than necessary, this debate will rage on. His talent is undisputed but that is not the only reason he is the footballer he is today. My argument is not whether taking it has benefited messi in any way because clearly taking it has given him a chance to play football for a living The premise is how has HGH benefited Messi. Just because he is very good does not mean you bend the laws to suit your own end. Football is not the only profession and some are not so lucky. |
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Post by redcase on Nov 22, 2013 19:37:24 GMT
Barcelona were great to watch in Pep's first 2 years only. That's it. That's when they actually used that possession to create tens of chances to score goals. But that shit got old. After that they used possession to bore the fuck out of opponents. They transformed into the perfect substitute for Valium and still are. They are efficient at literally strangulating the game out of any sort of ebb and flow. Yes it is a great technique and works superbly for them, but as a neutral or as a supporter of other clubs it is not entirely that difficult to dislike them. Doesn't stop them from being great mind you, just makes it easier to dislike them. No other team in European football get away with as much bullshit and referee-bullying as much as Barcelona does. The entire planet got to watch Sergio Busquets wink to his team after unfairly getting Thiago Motta sent off that night. The referee did not even bat an eye nor did he get any assistance fron the linesman that night. Now you may say it is because he was out of line of sight but I say it is because of this make believe reputation they have that they are the most squeaky clean proponents of the game and are hence beyond reproach. That is not just an isolated incident. There are other examples in clasicos , like when Dani Alves fell to the ground clutching his feet as if it had broken in two while in reality Pepe had not even touched him, or barely touched him at most. But then it was Pepe and he had a rep, therefore he got sent off without a moment's hesitation. Forget that, when a foul is committed against a Barcelona player, the reaction of the whole team is downright disgraceful. The way the whole team goes and surrounds the referee, putting pressure on him to pursue a harsher action than he had originally planned. Whereas with other clubs it is not tolerated nearly in a similar measure. They get away with shit all the time. And that is no conspiracy theory. The open praise doled out by UEFA and FIFA to Barcelona and Messi in particular is embarrassing to watch, considering they are the governing body and hence should maintain neutrality or at least fucking try to. It's like the ICC coming out and saying they would love England to win the next cricket world cup. Regarding the Messi thing, let me make one thing clear. The use of HGH is banned in all sports, amateur or professional. Lionel Messi would not be where he is without the drugs. That is 100% fact. He wouldn't be able to fucking jog for 15 minutes let alone dribble the length of the pitch for 90. FC Barcelona, trustworthy that they are, say Messi discontinued taking it ages ago. But HGH is almost impossible to trace. The follwing quote explains this. "Why is it so hard to test for?
HGH occurs naturally in the body, which makes it hard to distinguish between what is produced regardless of outside interference and what is an administered dose.
And it is almost impossible to set a blood level of HGH that would be considered unnaturally high and indicative of doping, because levels of naturally-occurring HGH can vary by more than 100-fold in response to factors such as nutritional state, sleep and exercise." There is a clause regarding the use of such hormones . It reads something like this. "A therapeutic use exemption (or TUE) is granted for a player's use of a banned substance when that substance is considered medically necessary. Section 46 of FIFA's anti-doping code contains provisions for TUEs."But I got the following interesting point from Bleacher Report. "While Messi would technically have needed a waiver in order to have the medical treatments, and the facts would support the grant of this waiver, it is unclear whether Messi had this. WADA did not begin testing for HGH until 2004, though it was on the banned list much earlier." Why is his usage of HGH an actual bigger deal? It is as follows. "Why might a sportsman take it?
In simple terms, to increase muscle size. Because there is a correlation between muscle size and strength, competitors in events that require power and short bursts of explosive strength would be most likely to benefit.
It also allows tired muscles to recover quicker - allowing you to train harder and more often."So yes, it is very controversial. Of course Messi had a problem and so he took it. But does he still take it? Lance Armstrong took a concoction of EPO, testosterone and HGH to win 7 Tour de France titles and he was a legend until someone decided to dig into that whole success story. Is it really so improbable that Messi is still taking the banned HGH to stimulate and prolong his footballing career? There is always a chance, is there not? Yet nobody ever mentions it. Google it, you'll find barely 8-9 credible articles or reports on it. Why? Because he is a fantastically talented man? He should not be questioned about his usage of the drug? Whether he still uses it or not? because he scores 90+ goals in a year. Instead it is championed as a tear-jerking story of a boy with a dream who made it big. Making both Messi and Barcelona look like protagonists in a wonderful Hollywood movie. But in reality it is mere business, and questionable business at that. With stricter doping codes in place now, I doubt such a story will rise again. I might be wrong, but it will be definitely more scrutinized than Messi's story was. That above was me speaking in technical speak. I don't always say all that. But I do when some arsehole (not you at all by the way, in case you take offence, I am referring to certain imbeciles I know at work) comes and starts spouting shite to me about how Messi is so fucking great and starts talking shit about Ronaldo. That's when I lose my shit because Cristiano Ronaldo has braved adversity from Madeira to Madrid through nothing but hard work, determination and the focus of a laser. What Cristiano Ronaldo is, it is because he is the most dedicated football professional on the planet. His work ethic is second to nobody. His natural athletic prowess is that of an apex predator's and his mental strength is tougher than titanium. And it is all him. No drugs no shit. I do not understand why nobody talks about that or mentions that. Just a read on Cristiano's workout regimen and the way he takes care of his body is the stuff of legend. But people think he is some kind of an arrogant showboat because he gels his hair and struts on the pitch with his head high and chest out. That's not arrogance, that is confidence. Confidence that you are the best at what you do. And for the last 2 years at least, he has been the best footballer on the planet. While Messi has been dodging taxes to the tune of millions and shouting and insulting Cristian Tello, Ronnie has donated his golden boot and a lot of money to charities and is adored by his teammates and coaches as the supreme professional and comrade. While Messi cancels his tour to the USA on a whim, Ronaldo travels all the way to Singapore to a University to talk to students. The stark difference in attitudes is there for all to see. Yet it is stunning how Sepp Blatter says Ronaldo merely styles his hair a lot. EDIT - phew a long one, but I have been in awe of Ronaldo the past few weeks, hehe.  That is the single best post I have ever seen on this or any forum. Cheers carb ! |
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Post by redcase on Nov 22, 2013 19:56:12 GMT
Barcelona were great to watch in Pep's first 2 years only. That's it. That's when they actually used that possession to create tens of chances to score goals. But that shit got old. After that they used possession to bore the fuck out of opponents. They transformed into the perfect substitute for Valium and still are. They are efficient at literally strangulating the game out of any sort of ebb and flow. Yes it is a great technique and works superbly for them, but as a neutral or as a supporter of other clubs it is not entirely that difficult to dislike them. Doesn't stop them from being great mind you, just makes it easier to dislike them. No other team in European football get away with as much bullshit and referee-bullying as much as Barcelona does. The entire planet got to watch Sergio Busquets wink to his team after unfairly getting Thiago Motta sent off that night. The referee did not even bat an eye nor did he get any assistance fron the linesman that night. Now you may say it is because he was out of line of sight but I say it is because of this make believe reputation they have that they are the most squeaky clean proponents of the game and are hence beyond reproach. That is not just an isolated incident. There are other examples in clasicos , like when Dani Alves fell to the ground clutching his feet as if it had broken in two while in reality Pepe had not even touched him, or barely touched him at most. But then it was Pepe and he had a rep, therefore he got sent off without a moment's hesitation. Forget that, when a foul is committed against a Barcelona player, the reaction of the whole team is downright disgraceful. The way the whole team goes and surrounds the referee, putting pressure on him to pursue a harsher action than he had originally planned. Whereas with other clubs it is not tolerated nearly in a similar measure. They get away with shit all the time. And that is no conspiracy theory. The open praise doled out by UEFA and FIFA to Barcelona and Messi in particular is embarrassing to watch, considering they are the governing body and hence should maintain neutrality or at least fucking try to. It's like the ICC coming out and saying they would love England to win the next cricket world cup. Regarding the Messi thing, let me make one thing clear. The use of HGH is banned in all sports, amateur or professional. Lionel Messi would not be where he is without the drugs. That is 100% fact. He wouldn't be able to fucking jog for 15 minutes let alone dribble the length of the pitch for 90. FC Barcelona, trustworthy that they are, say Messi discontinued taking it ages ago. But HGH is almost impossible to trace. The follwing quote explains this. "Why is it so hard to test for?
HGH occurs naturally in the body, which makes it hard to distinguish between what is produced regardless of outside interference and what is an administered dose.
And it is almost impossible to set a blood level of HGH that would be considered unnaturally high and indicative of doping, because levels of naturally-occurring HGH can vary by more than 100-fold in response to factors such as nutritional state, sleep and exercise." There is a clause regarding the use of such hormones . It reads something like this. "A therapeutic use exemption (or TUE) is granted for a player's use of a banned substance when that substance is considered medically necessary. Section 46 of FIFA's anti-doping code contains provisions for TUEs."But I got the following interesting point from Bleacher Report. "While Messi would technically have needed a waiver in order to have the medical treatments, and the facts would support the grant of this waiver, it is unclear whether Messi had this. WADA did not begin testing for HGH until 2004, though it was on the banned list much earlier." Why is his usage of HGH an actual bigger deal? It is as follows. "Why might a sportsman take it?
In simple terms, to increase muscle size. Because there is a correlation between muscle size and strength, competitors in events that require power and short bursts of explosive strength would be most likely to benefit.
It also allows tired muscles to recover quicker - allowing you to train harder and more often."So yes, it is very controversial. Of course Messi had a problem and so he took it. But does he still take it? Lance Armstrong took a concoction of EPO, testosterone and HGH to win 7 Tour de France titles and he was a legend until someone decided to dig into that whole success story. Is it really so improbable that Messi is still taking the banned HGH to stimulate and prolong his footballing career? There is always a chance, is there not? Yet nobody ever mentions it. Google it, you'll find barely 8-9 credible articles or reports on it. Why? Because he is a fantastically talented man? He should not be questioned about his usage of the drug? Whether he still uses it or not? because he scores 90+ goals in a year. Instead it is championed as a tear-jerking story of a boy with a dream who made it big. Making both Messi and Barcelona look like protagonists in a wonderful Hollywood movie. But in reality it is mere business, and questionable business at that. With stricter doping codes in place now, I doubt such a story will rise again. I might be wrong, but it will be definitely more scrutinized than Messi's story was. That above was me speaking in technical speak. I don't always say all that. But I do when some arsehole (not you at all by the way, in case you take offence, I am referring to certain imbeciles I know at work) comes and starts spouting shite to me about how Messi is so fucking great and starts talking shit about Ronaldo. That's when I lose my shit because Cristiano Ronaldo has braved adversity from Madeira to Madrid through nothing but hard work, determination and the focus of a laser. What Cristiano Ronaldo is, it is because he is the most dedicated football professional on the planet. His work ethic is second to nobody. His natural athletic prowess is that of an apex predator's and his mental strength is tougher than titanium. And it is all him. No drugs no shit. I do not understand why nobody talks about that or mentions that. Just a read on Cristiano's workout regimen and the way he takes care of his body is the stuff of legend. But people think he is some kind of an arrogant showboat because he gels his hair and struts on the pitch with his head high and chest out. That's not arrogance, that is confidence. Confidence that you are the best at what you do. And for the last 2 years at least, he has been the best footballer on the planet. While Messi has been dodging taxes to the tune of millions and shouting and insulting Cristian Tello, Ronnie has donated his golden boot and a lot of money to charities and is adored by his teammates and coaches as the supreme professional and comrade. While Messi cancels his tour to the USA on a whim, Ronaldo travels all the way to Singapore to a University to talk to students. The stark difference in attitudes is there for all to see. Yet it is stunning how Sepp Blatter says Ronaldo merely styles his hair a lot. EDIT - phew a long one, but I have been in awe of Ronaldo the past few weeks, hehe. Personally i prefer to see football played like Dortmund play it, aggressive pressing, with technical and physical play but Barcelona are one of the great teams. No team is in the game to play a brand of football that allows the other teams to flourish as well. The great teams were always in control of matches. Milan were no different than Barcelona, they wanted the ball and didn't part with it easily, they even employed the same offside trap and merciless pressing of the ball. It can be tedious at times but some of the best performances i've seen from football teams have come from the Barcelona side under Guadiola, the 6-2 and 5-0 drubbings they gave madrid for example. Like you say when there full throttle they were spectacular. That midfield has to be one of the great midfield's certainly in my time watching football, xavi, busquest and iniesta, all different but it works so well and they are the engine room of a very dominant spanish team also. They may keep the ball alot but its up to the other team to get it back, i don't quite see whats wrong with that. To be honest Id like to see a united team that can keep it for more than 10 seconds instead of Rio attempting his awful calculated punts. On Messi, he took HGH no doubts ok, but it was because he had a natural deficiency that could only be corrected by taking it. My argument is not whether taking it has benefited messi in any way because clearly taking it has given him a chance to play football for a living despite his incredible talent but these accusations that he's still taking it on some medical waiver are unfounded. You can't smear someone because some people think he's still taking it, there has to be proof. With Armstrong there was a lot of nieveity but eventually the truth does surface and its the truth people should write about not some wild accusation floating about google. This thread would not exist if he was a united player and we found him and gave him the treatment he needed so he could play football, thats a fact. Barcelona's average pass-per-game count is 630+. 630+. How much of that is really forward passing? Not a lot of it. At least 20 minutes of the 90 is sideways and backwards passing. I am not denying, again, that it is a great strategy. It is a great strategy, but for Barcelona fans mostly. It was great to watch over the first 2 years, but since then it has lost its charm. Not many people I know like sitting through 90 minutes of strangulation football. As a result of this tactic , combined with their on field skulduggery, they are an extremely easy team to dislike is what I'm saying. Not that they aren't a very efficient and strong team. I would never personally like it if United played football like that. Sure it would get us some fantastic results, but that style is not for me personally. With regards to that bit I highlighted, of course, if Lionel Messi was a United player a thread wouldn't be on Republik of Mancunia, it would be on RAWK. Or a rentie forum. Or a bitter forum. Or maybe even a Barcelona forum or a Bayern Munich forum. The point is, it would come up among fans of some other team or the other. And that is my issue. Why is it only coming up among fans? I think the authorities should be taking a look at it too. And with regards to you saying it has given him a chance to play football for a living, that's what I think is wrong. Do you honestly think FC Barcelona invested in his treatment to just give him a chance to have a good life? Of course not. FC Barcelona do not even give as much regard you think they should to their coach and player suffering from cancer. And the accusations whether he is still taking it or not is just that. An accusation. Why must he not prove whether he is still taking it or not? Nobody asked him whether he paid his taxes or not. Look how that turned out. Why must the question not be asked? Because he is a 4 time Ballon D'Or winner? Because FIFA and UEFA might look like the complete and utter mugs they are if their poster boy turns out to be a fucking drug cheat? No. The question must be asked. And by the authorities. Football does not do mandatory testing for stimulants. How will you find proof without first asking the question? In an age where it took years of digging to find out the skeletons in Lance Armstrong's closet, the answers to the very valid question of "Is Lionel Messi still on HGH or other stimulants under the guise of GHD?" will not fall from the sky. Some fucker needs to grow the balls to ask it. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 23, 2013 11:25:25 GMT
To be honest Id like to see a united team that can keep it for more than 10 seconds instead of Rio attempting his awful calculated punts. No arguments there mate On Messi, he took HGH no doubts ok, but it was because he had a natural deficiency that could only be corrected by taking it. Was it in any way life threatening?? I sure as hell have seen a few vertically challenged people, who get on just fine. Only, they most likely are limited in their physical abilities. Messi would have had no hope in hell of making it as an athlete. So long as there is no conclusive evidence that he HAD to take it and not an ounce more than necessary, this debate will rage on. His talent is undisputed but that is not the only reason he is the footballer he is today. My argument is not whether taking it has benefited messi in any way because clearly taking it has given him a chance to play football for a living The premise is how has HGH benefited Messi. Just because he is very good does not mean you bend the laws to suit your own end. Football is not the only profession and some are not so lucky. HGH deficiencies can affect your health especially in childhood, i can cause real problems with your immune systems etc if gone untreated. Im not asking for special treatment because he's very good but you need to ask yourself this question. Do we start telling kids who have had HGH treatment for some medical reason, sorry son but you can't play football because we don't know the exact details of your treatment or whether you have gained to much physically from it. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 23, 2013 11:31:15 GMT
Bit of a ridiculous statement if I may say. There as good as any of the great teams. Ask anyone whos seen Ajax of the 70s or the great Hungarian or Brazilian teams and they will tell you so. Bit hypocritical considering the team Ronaldo plays for is full of diving cheats. I think Ronaldo warrants the Ballon D'or because he's had a great season for club and country and four goals in a huge game with that kind of pressure is massive but I don't get this Messi bashing. One of the greatest players ever if not the best ever and we have a thread putting him in the same light as Lance Armstrong. Unclear why you have brought that up. Nobody is denying Madrid is a rotten club with a whole bunch of cheats.. 2 extraordinary years does not maketh a great team. Coz they are dominating a 2 horse league? Big fucking deal. We won 5 in 7 yrs in a vastly more competitive league. Or 2 CL wins in 3 (one of which they never should even have even reached the final)? We reached 3 finals in 4 and Bayern 3 consecutive ones. I will tell you what I also saw; "greatest team ever" getting obliterated 7-0 in CL. If Messi was the difference, then they unarguably are the greatest one man team ever. 3 exceptional individuals happened to play their best football @ the same time is what happened and now teams have them figured out. Inter, Chelsea and even fucking Celtic. Jose eventually had Barca's number. Great teams are supposed to find a FAIR way to win, no? It's fundamentally wrong to compare players and teams across generations. Last I checked, back then, flair players got the living shit kicked out of them. Playing a zillion useless tippy tappy triangles and boring the fuck outta everyone is not entertaining, anymore so than parking the bus. Media and some fans have their collective heads deep up the self righteous cunting cunts arses. Anyway, my original point was the cunts are devoid of any class or grace and Messi is a massive cunt: Exhibit a) I'm oh so good that I will default token amount of 4.2 million in taxes Exhibit b) I have the biggest dick, when threatened will simply mope around in training and get my challenger marginalized Exhibit c) I'm Messi, so, my god given right to act petulant and kick the ball towards Madrid fans Yet, Messi is the saint and Ronnie who is the prick. Yeah sure!! I mentioned it because Barca get serious flak on this forum and Madrid rarely get the same treatment when there every bit as bad in the diving department, there hardly blameless. How do you know if he's moping in training? |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 23, 2013 11:48:41 GMT
Madrid don't get flak on here because I think pretty much everyone concurs they are scum. It doesn't generate interesting debate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 19:39:22 GMT
Madrid don't get flak on here because I think pretty much everyone concurs they are scum. It doesn't generate interesting debate. Pretty much |
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Post by NR7 on Nov 25, 2013 14:03:05 GMT
No arguments there mate On Messi, he took HGH no doubts ok, but it was because he had a natural deficiency that could only be corrected by taking it. Was it in any way life threatening?? I sure as hell have seen a few vertically challenged people, who get on just fine. Only, they most likely are limited in their physical abilities. Messi would have had no hope in hell of making it as an athlete. So long as there is no conclusive evidence that he HAD to take it and not an ounce more than necessary, this debate will rage on. His talent is undisputed but that is not the only reason he is the footballer he is today. My argument is not whether taking it has benefited messi in any way because clearly taking it has given him a chance to play football for a living The premise is how has HGH benefited Messi. Just because he is very good does not mean you bend the laws to suit your own end. Football is not the only profession and some are not so lucky. HGH deficiencies can affect your health especially in childhood, i can cause real problems with your immune systems etc if gone untreated. Im not asking for special treatment because he's very good but you need to ask yourself this question. Do we start telling kids who have had HGH treatment for some medical reason, sorry son but you can't play football because we don't know the exact details of your treatment or whether you have gained to much physically from it. I get where you are coming from and honestly, dunno. This is not Messi's fault but if he had physically gained from HGH, unfair to other players.. |
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Post by NR7 on Nov 25, 2013 14:06:42 GMT
johnboy14It was in Ibrá's autobiography. Could well be a case of sour grapes!! Pep did bench him couple of times citing training was not upto scratch. That coincided with Zlat playing CF & in good scoring form. Trying to find links and will post, once I get one 
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