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Post by Reduntildeath on May 31, 2021 19:50:39 GMT
I was going to post about Ole, re his utter lack of tactical smarts, his rabbit-in-the-headlights post-match pressers, where he sometimes looks like a child about to burst into tears, and other times he looks as though he’s off his tits on something ,to his being an eternal hero from ‘99, and an all round decent bloke etc, although sadly way, way out of his depth,but what’s the point? Those fucks in Miami who control the club love him-because he’s a nodding dog, and he loves them back, or so it would seem. So, it will be extremely interesting to see both where we are as a club, and where he is as a manager in 12 months’ time. I suppose we’ll all have to watch this space.
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Post by JamBritRed on May 31, 2021 19:52:21 GMT
The M.E.N reported today that Mike Phelan is a strange assistant as, l ike Ole, he has no role in the coaching set up during training. Why the fuck is he in the job then? Apparently he went for the DOF role, but Ole wanted him to stay as assistant. We really need some better coaches. So Michael Carrick is our Head coach and organises training? The fuck? A co-worker mentioned this to me earlier and I couldn't believe him. Not based on evidence, obviously, because his lack of coaching shows very clearly. But because I didn't believe Ole would have actually said as much publicly. Does he think he's Sir Alex, or what?!?! Sir Alex EARNED that right to step back from direct coaching by 1) winning things when he did coach, and 2) culturing a core of world class coaches around him so that he could afford to delegate the responsibility to persons (maybe) more competent at the function that he was. I've long believed that the blind was leading the blind in our 'coaching' set-up. But even that was an overestimation of what actually obtains.
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Post by JamBritRed on May 31, 2021 19:54:04 GMT
I was going to post about Ole, re his utter lack of tactical smarts, his rabbit-in-the-headlights post-match pressers, where he sometimes looks like a child about to burst into tears, and other times he looks as though he’s off his tits on something ,to his being an eternal hero from ‘99, and an all round decent bloke etc, although sadly way, way out of his depth,but what’s the point? Those fucks in Miami who control the club love him-because he’s a nodding dog, and he loves them back, or so it would seem. So, it will be extremely interesting depressing to see both where we are as a club, and where he is as a manager in 12 months’ time. I suppose we’ll all have to watch this space. fixed for you!
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Post by Stew on May 31, 2021 20:31:28 GMT
The M.E.N reported today that Mike Phelan is a strange assistant as, like Ole, he has no role in the coaching set up during training. Why the fuck is he in the job then? Apparently he went for the DOF role, but Ole wanted him to stay as assistant. We really need some better coaches. So Michael Carrick is our Head coach and organises training? The fuck? Castles alluded to this on Friday as well.
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Post by Stretty on May 31, 2021 20:38:57 GMT
I was going to post about Ole, re his utter lack of tactical smarts, his rabbit-in-the-headlights post-match pressers, where he sometimes looks like a child about to burst into tears, and other times he looks as though he’s off his tits on something ,to his being an eternal hero from ‘99, and an all round decent bloke etc, although sadly way, way out of his depth,but what’s the point? Those fucks in Miami who control the club love him-because he’s a nodding dog, and he loves them back, or so it would seem. So, it will be extremely interesting to see both where we are as a club, and where he is as a manager in 12 months’ time.I suppose we’ll all have to watch this space. i think we all know how this is going to pan out. Shit summer window Out of the title race by October around 8th at Christmas(at least 15 points of city,Chelsea) Pogba downs tools and his agent starts mouthing off. sacked by Easter. Hope I’m wrong but it’s just rinse and repeat with this lot
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Post by viking22 on May 31, 2021 20:44:11 GMT
From what I can gather our coaching team is a mix of former players (e.g. Phelan, Carrick, Fletcher before he became TD), coaches Ole knew from his Cardiff days (e.g. Pert, Hartis) and a few survivors from previous eras such as McKenna who have worked their way through the ranks.
Big difference from LVG and Jose who as elite managers could bring with them their own handpicked backroom staff who they'd worked closely with for years. Naturally Ole only felt able to call on his old mates from his playing days and his short and unsuccessful stint at Cardiff.
Very disturbing if Phelan doesn't do any coaching. What's the point of all the experience he brings from working under Fergie for so long? And what does he exactly do then? Seems as though he has reached a point in his career where he wants to take a back seat after feeling he's done his time on the training ground. Which is fair enough but makes him unsuitable for the job.
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Post by viking22 on May 31, 2021 20:53:34 GMT
Sadly the one area where Ole seems to excel is keeping the players onside. So not convinced we'll get the kind of death spiral that put an end to Moyes, LVG and Jose's career. I think we'll finish 4th way behind City and Chelsea and Liverpool, get nowhere in the cups and quite possibly have another run in the Europa after failing to navigate the CL group stage. He'll keep his job but will probably eventually piss of the players and owners by whining about how he needs more quality in his squad to challenge for trophies. And players will also get fed up of not winning anything. So I think the end is a few seasons away rather than next season. i think we all know how this is going to pan out. Shit summer window Out of the title race by October around 8th at Christmas(at least 15 points of city,Chelsea) Pogba downs tools and his agent starts mouthing off. sacked by Easter. Hope I’m wrong but it’s just rinse and repeat with this lot
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Post by dazjoe on May 31, 2021 21:17:33 GMT
He was hired as a caretaker manager and has restored morale and steadied the ship. But I think that job was completed really last summer and by keeping him on we were setting him up to fail. I don't think last season was massively impressive. We lost in three semi-finals and if it wasn't for Bruno's arrival and our subsequent turnaround in form we wouldn't have made top 4. But the doom and gloom of Jose's final days had lifted and getting back into the top 4 was the first step in recovering the ground lost. So it was progress but it should have been obvious that it was time to kick on and win things and hire an experienced coach while thanking Ole for the job he'd done for us. This season has really shown up Ole's limitations. There was the failure to navigate the CL group stages. The title challenge that ended before it even began with Ole ruling us out in January and then letting City take a double digit points lead and blowing numerous opportunities to cut that down. The terrible record against other big teams. All the goals conceded via set pieces. Getting knocked out of the domestic cups. Getting beaten by Villareal in the final. And of course the stream of embarassing comments to the media. And the endless excuses about fixture congestion and referees and then basically blaming the players last week for not turning up and demanding new signings so he can challenge for trophies (even though his predecessors won trophies with much weaker squads). And this crap about progress and how we are getting closer. It makes it really difficult to like the man. At many other big clubs this catalogue of failures would have got him the sack. Especially as there are some decent options out there such as Zidane, Conte, Pochettino etc. It wasn't, by any measure. No trophy, one player was the difference between mid-table and top 4, and the final points tally was average. This year that would have been 5th; 18/19 - 6th; 17/18 - 6th; 16/17 - 7th. It looked better than it actually was because the table said 3rd, and because several other clubs massively under performed.
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 31, 2021 21:32:03 GMT
Trite to compare I know, but watch the SAF film on Prime etc, and see what club, and man management (from the bottom, to the top), is actually like. Almost akin to mourning a death!
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Post by Karma on May 31, 2021 21:57:46 GMT
The Glazers are creating their own old boys club on the ‘football’ side of things. It’s all just a front to keep the fans happy and it’s working. What other set up would get away with the rebuilding prop like this lot do ?
No wonder we’re skint it’s all smoke an mirrors paying all these hangers on to create an image we’re progressing while the reality is stagnation.
Disgusting!
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Post by kstandhand on Jun 1, 2021 6:37:36 GMT
Has he fucking gone yet?
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Post by Stretty on Jun 1, 2021 6:38:36 GMT
The Glazers are creating their own old boys club on the ‘football’ side of things. It’s all just a front to keep the fans happy and it’s working. What other set up would get away with the rebuilding prop like this lot do ? No wonder we’re skint it’s all smoke an mirrors paying all these hangers on to create an image we’re progressing while the reality is stagnation. Disgusting! The trouble is half the fans fall for it even though they must know it’s not going to work.They seem to think it’s going to be another Fergie and we will start winning pots after rebuilding. but we won’t. fergie took over in November 1986 and won the FA cup in may 1990(3.5 seasons) ole took over in December 2018 and will have had 3.5 seasons next summer So going off the rebuilding narrative we should be expecting a trophy next season how long do the top reds give him.
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Post by oscared on Jun 1, 2021 6:46:14 GMT
The M.E.N reported today that Mike Phelan is a strange assistant as, like Ole, he has no role in the coaching set up during training. Why the fuck is he in the job then? Apparently he went for the DOF role, but Ole wanted him to stay as assistant. We really need some better coaches. So Michael Carrick is our Head coach and organises training? The fuck? if ole has no involvement in coaching then I don’t think he does anything that anyone on here couldn’t do. pick the best 11 and hope shit happens make the odd sub after 80 minutes Also who the fuck does the coaching? Its blatantly obvious that we dont have a coaching system in place, how many corners does a team have to concede from before someone reacts? we dont have a playing style unless you count allowing the opposition to get organised at the back then pass across the field left to right, right to left with little or no penetration, boils my fucking piss.
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Post by keanosdog16 on Jun 1, 2021 11:12:15 GMT
Ole nominated for manager of the year....wtf 🤦🏻♂
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Post by JamBritRed on Jun 1, 2021 19:47:19 GMT
been mulling over this for a few days, so I'll just put it out there:
If MUFC had any ambition to actually win things they would fire Ole and go for Zidane this summer.
Zidane left Real for being exactly the manager Manchester United claims it needs. If you read his open letter, he essentially said he was being undermined by the club executives because they believed he was too chummy with the playing and support staff. They essentially wanted him to be more ruthless.
we hired Ole to do just that, and that is probably the only thing he's done consistently well.
If we go for Zidane we get that, tactical acumen, a proven winner, and a footballing idol on a higher level than even Ole. given his history, id expect even the top reds to be impressed.
now I know the club will never do this, because they are too married to the mediocrity currently on display. But if they could only just get out of their own way this would be a slam dunk of a signing, and would come with the inherent name recognition to attract great/elite players to the club.
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