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Post by redcase on May 30, 2013 9:55:41 GMT
M' Vila? Come on now.
Carrick is fine where he is. That is his role and I think he is comfortable there too, looking at the way he plays. Our creative Shinji , if used right next season will benefit immensely from his passing range and in turn RVP will benefit from Shinji's passing. Carrick needs a partner that's about it. Fabregas wouldn't do too badly.
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Post by mightyez on May 30, 2013 10:03:09 GMT
ok but lets say we had someone who can distribute the ball well but can also really get stuck in, that would mean carrick and move up and not to be funny but at his age it is not a bad idea maybe. i know this guy is a bad boy etc however there is no denying that with the price tage of 7/8 million he would be a bargain for what he can do, i'm talking yan mvilla, at that price we can also get in strootman whom although i havent seen play the reports have been positive from those that have seen him. that would be a max outlay of about 25 million on 2 young classy operators yeah, I like the thinking to be fair just not M.Villa though  ok maybe not him but i feel alot of the not him feeling is to do with his reputation which is fair enough. i think the key thing is there is room to manouve and why i am thinking this way is having carrick as the main defensive midfielder in a 2 will not win us a champions league, as good as he has been this season and to be fair he has also been extremely consistent, in games where the midfield has been overrun he has not been able to carry the fight, that is not his game at all, to hustle the opposition or get in a crunching tackle he uses intelligence with positioning and precision with his passing, we have always looked for a scholes replacement and carrick can do that in terms of his brilliant passing range. i see a player that is comfortable and good at what he is doing but can do more, the guy is darn talented. with all this being said get strootman or fellani and cesc or thiago and then carrick with likely rotate with stootman or fallani allowing the other to rotate with cleverly. |
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Post by alt on May 30, 2013 10:40:02 GMT
M'Vila only moved in January so I'm not sure why he'd be available now anyway. Need Carrick to play where he played so brilliantly for us last season, would be stupid to start moving him around now.
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Post by redcase on May 30, 2013 11:24:44 GMT
M'Vila has proven himself to be a complete and utter mug. The likes of him cannot come anywhere near this club.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 19:50:44 GMT
Of the two, Fabregas would be the safer option as he is a known quantity in the Premier League: you know that you will get a good amount of goals and assists from him from midfield. I still have this feeling that we may experiment with a three-man midfield next season, which for me would get the best out of Carrick.Surely we saw the best of Carrick last season? From what I have seen Thiago is a similar sort of player to Fabregas so IMO it would be pointless signing both, if we are going to sign two midfielders we would be better off signing players who offer something different. Carrick was our most consistent performer but having him in a two man midfielder won't fully utilize his strengths - intercepting the ball and starting attacks. In a defensive sense you would have to have a real workhorse alongside him in a two man midfield because he's not very mobile and wouldn't be breaking up play so there would be nothing to stop the opposition from getting to the edge of our box. If you put someone like Fabregas alongside him in a two man midfield who is going to win the ball back from the opposition and close down their passing? If there is one thing we have learnt from having the likes of Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in central midfield and watching our midfield be overrun by inferior players (the latest instance being against West Brom) it is surely that we need people with legs and energy. I suggested a three man midfield because that would allow Carrick to sit in front of the back four and pulling the strings in the vein of a Pirlo, whilst having at least one central midfielder in front of him that can break up play and put pressure on the opposition midfielders, plus it would allow for a Kagawa or a Fabregas to play there and not be tasked with defensive work. |
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Post by ginger18legend on May 31, 2013 18:47:03 GMT
Not sure if this has been touched on earlier, but I just heard Guillem Balague on talksport say that Thiago's 18 million release clause goes back to being 90 million on August 1. So if anything has to happen, it must happen soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 19:29:58 GMT
Not sure if this has been touched on earlier, but I just heard Guillem Balague on talksport say that Thiago's 18 million release clause goes back to being 90 million on August 1. So if anything has to happen, it must happen soon. Thanks for the info, had no idea..! |
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Post by ginger18legend on May 31, 2013 19:51:05 GMT
Not sure if this has been touched on earlier, but I just heard Guillem Balague on talksport say that Thiago's 18 million release clause goes back to being 90 million on August 1. So if anything has to happen, it must happen soon. Thanks for the info, had no idea..! Welcome buddy. Caught me by surprise too. Heard rumors that Madrid and City are in for him as well. If that's indeed the case Moyes may well have to cut short his holiday. |
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Post by sleel6 on Jun 1, 2013 3:22:04 GMT
Surely we saw the best of Carrick last season? From what I have seen Thiago is a similar sort of player to Fabregas so IMO it would be pointless signing both, if we are going to sign two midfielders we would be better off signing players who offer something different. Carrick was our most consistent performer but having him in a two man midfielder won't fully utilize his strengths - intercepting the ball and starting attacks. In a defensive sense you would have to have a real workhorse alongside him in a two man midfield because he's not very mobile and wouldn't be breaking up play so there would be nothing to stop the opposition from getting to the edge of our box. If you put someone like Fabregas alongside him in a two man midfield who is going to win the ball back from the opposition and close down their passing?If there is one thing we have learnt from having the likes of Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in central midfield and watching our midfield be overrun by inferior players (the latest instance being against West Brom) it is surely that we need people with legs and energy. I suggested a three man midfield because that would allow Carrick to sit in front of the back four and pulling the strings in the vein of a Pirlo, whilst having at least one central midfielder in front of him that can break up play and put pressure on the opposition midfielders, plus it would allow for a Kagawa or a Fabregas to play there and not be tasked with defensive work. Intercepting balls and starting attacks is exactly what he was so good at for United last season. In a two man midfield Carrick would win the ball back just as he did last season. |
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Jun 1, 2013 10:39:01 GMT
Twatter claiming he might go to Real and his father/agent gave OK to this...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 13:32:16 GMT
Twatter claiming he might go to Real and his father/agent gave OK to this... Would Barca let him go to of all places there? Also does he or his family need the grief? |
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Post by Stew on Jun 2, 2013 21:12:48 GMT
Twatter claiming he might go to Real and his father/agent gave OK to this... Would Barca let him go to of all places there? Also does he or his family need the grief? Buyout clause means he can go where he likes I think. Look at Goetze to Bayern |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 22:31:11 GMT
Twatter claiming he might go to Real and his father/agent gave OK to this... Would Barca let him go to of all places there? Also does he or his family need the grief? A surprising number of players have moved between the two, more than you would think for hated rivals. Luis Figo, Luis Enrique, Michael Laudrup, Bernd Schuster. Plus as Stew says, Barca couldn't reject the bid if it matched the buy out amount. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 22:38:40 GMT
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Post by redcase on Jun 2, 2013 23:14:21 GMT
Out of that entire list I think Laudrup got the least amount of stick for swapping. Figo on the other hand....
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