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Post by Bestie on Jan 15, 2014 10:36:39 GMT
He's twenty-one, we paid a fairly hefty fee for a lad his age from the Championship, and all our senior wingers have been inconsistent, at best, this season, and an eighteen year old has been getting his fair chances as well.
I think that's why some of us are wondering Zaha cannot get even a look in of an oppurtunity in a first team XI. By that we don't mean ten minutes from the bench once in four months or one start in an early round League Cup tie with half a team around him.
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Post by reefer on Jan 15, 2014 10:40:03 GMT
I may be alone in my opinion but I don't get what all the fuss is about. Whenever I've seen him play he's not put in stellar performances, his crosses aren't up to scratch yet and his decision making isn't where it needs to be. Hence him not making the team. That being said, I have faith that he'll improve immensely and become a success at United. A loan, however, seems the best option at present as he's stagnating without game-time. It's his first season with us so I don't understand the hype surrounding a 21-year old not making the first team in a season where we're having enough troubles in other areas. Of course you right, we have many a top quality player ahead of him. I mean how do you replace Young and Valencia of which there crossing ability is second to none! I dont know what you were watching but I have seen Zaha in the reserves and the games I saw he was very very good, and lets not forget Englands U21 oh and he pretty much saved Palace's season. Sending a player with so much potential out on loan when we are not exactly full of top first team players is stupid, or at least not giving him game time first before sending him out on loan, that is even more stupid. IMO he has already done enough to deserve some consistent game time, 45 minutes is not enough to prove your worth. All we are doing is destroying the guys confidence... What I mean by that is, if he was told go out on loan and learn a bit more because we have quality players in your position at present so prove you can be better than them (which is fine), but no we cant say that to him can we. What we are saying is your shit at the moment because you cant even get ahead of Young or Valencia and we are not prepared to even look at you on the pitch because we just know it.... |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 15, 2014 10:41:08 GMT
The fact we're not in any of the domestic cups anymore answers that pretty bluntly, we couldn't afford to take the risk - we obviously don't see the player in training etc.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 15, 2014 10:42:52 GMT
It wasn't our wingers' fault Moyes set out in the domestic cups not to lose but ended up losing anyway.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 15, 2014 10:47:25 GMT
Zaha has made 8 starts this season, across divisions, age-groups, clubs and national teams.
Did he look a class above when given a debut as Ladnan was able to illustrate?
Don't go off on a tangent, man, I'm merely stating that all this media hype creates the illusion that he's entitled to a starting spot - he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 10:49:53 GMT
Zaha has made 8 starts this season, across divisions, age-groups, clubs and national teams. Did he look a class above when given a debut as Ladnan was able to illustrate? Don't go off on a tangent, man, I'm merely stating that all this media hype creates the illusion that he's entitled to a starting spot - he's not. Must be something behind the scenes because I thought he was as good as Adnan on the pre season tour, did well in the shield and then that was it. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 15, 2014 10:54:13 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I want him to succeed and achieve greatness at United, I'm merely stating that during the helter skelter that is our PL season, we've had bigger issues than trying to blood all our youngsters.
Adnan's come through, we're 7th and our midfield and strikers are falling apart.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 15, 2014 14:20:32 GMT
We still have the Capitol One Cup.
Zaha isn't entitled to start, but when you get some really dire performances from Valencia, Young and Nani is nowhere to be seen - Zaha should at least seen a few games from the bench and see what he can do.
He isn't entitled, but when you keep him from playing - he will never have the chance to prove himself to be worthy.
Additionally, Kagawa, who is an AMC is played out wide - when we actually have one more winger that we never used.
It's the same with Fabio - we're playing Smalling, Jones, Valencia on the RB position instead of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 18:34:13 GMT
I may be alone in my opinion but I don't get what all the fuss is about. Whenever I've seen him play he's not put in stellar performances, his crosses aren't up to scratch yet and his decision making isn't where it needs to be. Hence him not making the team. That being said, I have faith that he'll improve immensely and become a success at United. A loan, however, seems the best option at present as he's stagnating without game-time. It's his first season with us so I don't understand the hype surrounding a 21-year old not making the first team in a season where we're having enough troubles in other areas. The highlighted part could be describing any one of our wingers, why not try something different? Definition of madness anyone. |
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Post by NR7 on Jan 15, 2014 19:38:21 GMT
Everyone has to turn out Adnan performance wise now?  That sounds very fair, just like the treatment meted out to Kags and Fabio aswell. Some hit it right from the off, others take more time. Is there any credible argument for not playing Zaha? Fans are entitled to wonder if it's for footballing reasons. And how the hell can anyone develop warming the bench or continually overlooked. Virtually no game time and reported interest from 6 clubs tells you a story. Undoubted potential and not got a chance to show it. EDIT: How often could anyone have possibly seen him play? If a PL proven 26 old international mid and manger for 15 yrs deserve more time, this poor fella deserves playing time too. And lots considering how fucking useless our other wingers have been. |
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Post by reefer on Jan 15, 2014 19:55:53 GMT
Zaha has made 8 starts this season, across divisions, age-groups, clubs and national teams. Did he look a class above when given a debut as Ladnan was able to illustrate? Don't go off on a tangent, man, I'm merely stating that all this media hype creates the illusion that he's entitled to a starting spot - he's not. I have not seen any one or any reports stating he is entitled to be in a starting spot. However I have seen plenty of support screaming that he should be given game time and a consistent amount of game time so we all can see what he brings to the table. All this so called hype as you say, is from fans like me who want to see a talented youngster given a chance when our so called experienced players are simply awful by there standards. To argue that we need those players because we are in 7th place is to me backward, its those very same players that have contributed to us being in 7th place. Also I have not seen one fan who has implicated that Zaha is the new god for us, none of us know if he will be better or worse for us. Sending him on loan will tell us what? He still will have to come back and we will still have to try him. Now is as good as any other time, we are shit with your experienced players so why not try him, we will either still be shit or significantly better. Also starts with the reserves and national teams is not the same as starts with the first 11 so your 8 starts stat is pretty poor IMO... but if you want to count them all then yes he was very good for reserves and nationals so where is your point? As for comparing Adnan to Zaha, it's pretty pointless, one has been with us 2 years and the other is brand new. Some players take longer to bed in and some dont. Are you saying any player that does not come up to Adnan level should be loaned out or sold and we must not buy anyone that is not to Adnan's level? Not trying to convince you one bit, your entitled to your opinion, I just find that particular opinion draconian or old style..... IMO, But if we had good quality on form players already in the first 11 then yes of course lets get him on loan in the PL so he can get some football under his belt but sadly that is NOT the case... |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 15, 2014 20:18:56 GMT
Dudes, relax.
I want the lad to play as much as you do, I'm simply illustrating that we need to focus on the players that are on the pitch whilst the media are continuing hyping up non-issues. I'm sure he'll get his chances and somewhere there's a reason behind all this.
I'm hoping he gets games in the starting XI before the end of the season.
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Post by reefer on Jan 15, 2014 22:11:51 GMT
Dudes, relax. I want the lad to play as much as you do, I'm simply illustrating that we need to focus on the players that are on the pitch whilst the media are continuing hyping up non-issues. I'm sure he'll get his chances and somewhere there's a reason behind all this. I'm hoping he gets games in the starting XI before the end of the season. Fair enough point... |
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Post by ratbag on Jan 17, 2014 10:58:38 GMT
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Post by NR7 on Jan 17, 2014 11:08:10 GMT
WTF? If Moyes blocked the move and continues to freeze Zaha out, the toffee fan Dan got it bang on reg DM's man management capabilities. I will hold my fire until window shuts and see if Zaha gets game time in the coming weeks.
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