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Post by mananvyas on Feb 11, 2014 10:23:14 GMT
Can be any of these cases ! We will never know unless Moyes comes out with the truth
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Post by Bestie on Feb 11, 2014 10:52:32 GMT
If it was Ferguson we'd be saying "fuck Zaha, ungrateful kid". Because Moyes has been so bad I think we're looking to blame him for everything. Zaha clearly needs to grow the fuck up if he wants to play for this club. It's even worse because now he's out on loan he's actually getting what he wants. Premier League games but still has a shot at the manager. We aren't looking to blame him for everything. If it were still Sir Alex Ferguson he would have twenty-five years of unprecendented success and dealing with young players (which even he got wrong quite a lot in his later term as football became worse for financial pressure to succeed instantly). Zaha wasn't unprofessional at Palace, as far as we know - at least there is no evidence of it - so what has changed? Coming to United? Fergie picked him, and we can be fairly sure the Gaffer was confident about his character. Moyes has given no reason, none, to play for him if you're Wilfred Zaha. Exciting, young, hungry winger spends all his time in the Reserves while our first choice wingersd serve up one-dimensional, failing shite? This is like when we tried to white-wash the Pogba dibacle by saying he was nothing but a mercenary c*nt when really all he wanted to do was play. |
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Post by Marvin the Martial on Feb 11, 2014 11:15:04 GMT
But you give in to him now and he then has the upper hand and then chucks a bigger tantrum when he doesnt get his way next time. Good on Moyes for standing up to him if his attitude isnt right. Test the lad, see how he responds, unfortunately he isnt responding well. I dont think Moyes questions his ability, its its there for all to see, however its getting his head right that needs to be sorted.
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Post by NR7 on Feb 11, 2014 11:17:59 GMT
I look at Kags and Chicha who have been treated shoddily yet they have kept council to themselves. Yes, Zaha deserved a chance over Young or Valencia but he is an imbecile for taking a pop on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 11:39:22 GMT
But you give in to him now and he then has the upper hand and then chucks a bigger tantrum when he doesnt get his way next time. Good on Moyes for standing up to him if his attitude isnt right. Test the lad, see how he responds, unfortunately he isnt responding well. I dont think Moyes questions his ability, its its there for all to see, however its getting his head right that needs to be sorted. Good post. Ferguson did this with several players. The Pogba one was a backfire but at the same time word has it that Pogba's pushing for a move to PSG so SAF could have been right yet again. |
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Post by ratbag on Feb 11, 2014 11:41:40 GMT
He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I kinda feel for the guy...he is signed by a legendary manager who leaves before he even gets a chance to join up, is really decent in pre-season and has ability coming out of his ears yet cannot get a chance on the pitch ahead of the dross that we serve up every bloody week!! I'd be frustrated and OK if I'm a bit immature I might do what he did...stupid? maybe but he just wants to play and I can't blame him for being a bit sore over it....
He's not a 100% professional but he is also a player that needs some man management...he wasn't getting it and now he is...he's just feeling the difference....
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Post by Bestie on Feb 11, 2014 11:42:15 GMT
But you give in to him now and he then has the upper hand and then chucks a bigger tantrum when he doesnt get his way next time. Good on Moyes for standing up to him if his attitude isnt right. Test the lad, see how he responds, unfortunately he isnt responding well. I dont think Moyes questions his ability, its its there for all to see, however its getting his head right that needs to be sorted. Good post. Ferguson did this with several players. The Pogba one was a backfire but at the same time word has it that Pogba's agent is pushing for a move to PSG so SAF could have been right yet again. Fixed.  He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I kinda feel for the guy...he is signed by a legendary manager who leaves before he even gets a chance to join up, is really decent in pre-season and has ability coming out of his ears yet cannot get a chance on the pitch ahead of the dross that we serve up every bloody week!! I'd be frustrated and OK if I'm a bit immature I might do what he did...stupid? maybe but he just wants to play and I can't blame him for being a bit sore over it.... He's not a 100% professional but he is also a player that needs some man management...he wasn't getting it and now he is...he's just feeling the difference.... Exactly. When Moyes can't even get a talented British youngster with proven potential to give his all to get into the Manchester United team, the fault does not lie entirely with the player. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 11:44:26 GMT
If it was Ferguson we'd be saying "fuck Zaha, ungrateful kid". Because Moyes has been so bad I think we're looking to blame him for everything. Zaha clearly needs to grow the fuck up if he wants to play for this club. It's even worse because now he's out on loan he's actually getting what he wants. Premier League games but still has a shot at the manager. We aren't looking to blame him for everything. If it were still Sir Alex Ferguson he would have twenty-five years of unprecendented success and dealing with young players (which even he got wrong quite a lot in his later term as football became worse for financial pressure to succeed instantly). Zaha wasn't unprofessional at Palace, as far as we know - at least there is no evidence of it - so what has changed? Coming to United? Fergie picked him, and we can be fairly sure the Gaffer was confident about his character. Moyes has given no reason, none, to play for him if you're Wilfred Zaha. Exciting, young, hungry winger spends all his time in the Reserves while our first choice wingersd serve up one-dimensional, failing shite? This is like when we tried to white-wash the Pogba dibacle by saying he was nothing but a mercenary c*nt when really all he wanted to do was play. I've been pushing for Zaha to play all season so I agree somewhat. At palace though he was first name on the team sheet which was never going to happen here and Holloway has hinted a few times in interview that he needs to sort his behaviour out. In the end he's a young player who's only been here for 6 months and we don't know what has gone behind the scenes but publicly Zaha has stuffed this up. He could have taken the high ground and everyone would have blamed Moyes. Now he looks like one of thise young players who already thinks he's made it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 11:49:15 GMT
Good post. Ferguson did this with several players. The Pogba one was a backfire but at the same time word has it that Pogba's agent is pushing for a move to PSG so SAF could have been right yet again. Fixed. He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I kinda feel for the guy...he is signed by a legendary manager who leaves before he even gets a chance to join up, is really decent in pre-season and has ability coming out of his ears yet cannot get a chance on the pitch ahead of the dross that we serve up every bloody week!! I'd be frustrated and OK if I'm a bit immature I might do what he did...stupid? maybe but he just wants to play and I can't blame him for being a bit sore over it.... He's not a 100% professional but he is also a player that needs some man management...he wasn't getting it and now he is...he's just feeling the difference.... Exactly. When Moyes can't even get a talented British youngster with proven potential to give his all to get into the Manchester United team, the fault does not lie entirely with the player. Well they can share the blame then. Zaha has gotta realise what he puts up on social media affects the club greatly. It was a really dumb thing to do. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 11, 2014 11:51:07 GMT
When did Holloway say his attitude needed to be sorted out? News to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 11:56:07 GMT
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Post by redcase on Feb 11, 2014 11:56:27 GMT
Fixed. Exactly. When Moyes can't even get a talented British youngster with proven potential to give his all to get into the Manchester United team, the fault does not lie entirely with the player. Well they can share the blame then. Zaha has gotta realise what he puts up on social media affects the club greatly. It was a really dumb thing to do. No. What the club did with that Michael Carrick AMA on social media affected the club more probably. 20 year old kid getting frustrated and takes a dig at an inept and useless manager who plays Ashley Young instead of a more talented wide man like himself? Yeah I can understand his frustration. We were all that young and tempestuous once. Was he out of line doing it? Maybe. It's Moyes' first season here (hopefully his last) so Moyes does not deserve the kind of protection reserved for club greats. Moyes has to prove himself. And he has to give us a reason why he did not play Zaha all those months. He is not exempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 11:59:25 GMT
Well they can share the blame then. Zaha has gotta realise what he puts up on social media affects the club greatly. It was a really dumb thing to do. No. What the club did with that Michael Carrick AMA on social media affected the club more probably. 20 year old kid getting frustrated and takes a dig at an inept and useless manager who plays Ashley Young instead of a more talented wide man like himself? Yeah I can understand his frustration. We were all that young and tempestuous once. Was he out of line doing it? Maybe. It's Moyes' first season here (hopefully his last) so Moyes does not deserve the kind of protection reserved for club greats. Moyes has to prove himself. And he has to give us a reason why he did not play Zaha all those months. He is not exempt. Surely Zaha's behaviour is the reason. Right or wrong Moyes doesn't like his attitude which does seem to differ from Adnan's attitude/media skills. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 11, 2014 12:00:07 GMT
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Post by Bestie on Feb 11, 2014 12:02:02 GMT
"So, I was surprised by reports during the week that he had been dropped to the bench for a reserve game because he turned up late. That isn’t the Wilfried Zaha I know and I am sure that he would not have shown such a lack of respect to his club on purpose." Seems to me like he's saying the opposite actually. |
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