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Post by Bestie on Sept 18, 2015 9:16:22 GMT
Of course it's about power. It's about money. It's always about money. To get money, you need to get the power. EDIT: [Changing my initial bit about ending a contract to clarify.] Everybody has the right to leave their contract of employment. What penalties are connected to this vary depending on the contract clauses. Simply leaving will almost certainly constitute a breach of contract, for which the damaged party could sue. In terms of football contracts, players have the same rights to terminate their contract as every other employee, with the same potential penalties and financial costs as everybody else. The Webster ruling even allows players to buy out the remainder of their contract, pretty much unilaterally. Which brings me back to my original point, that this is about power, and money. EDIT 2: What happens to clubs like Athletic Club, who only sign Basque players? Their transfer release clause are there to protect the club due to the limited pool of players they can sign. If a player is going to be sold, the release fee has to be met, simple as that. The majority of footballers aren't rich and there seems to be a large number that aren't being paid and therefore can't buy out their contracts. Then they can quit. When they get sued they point out that they weren't getting paid. Constructive dismissal. Even better, quit and bring a claim of constructive dismissal themselves. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 18, 2015 9:22:11 GMT
Players already have too much power as it is. Fifpro can get to fuck. Some good ideas buried in there but the headline acts need to go. It doesn't seem intended to give them more power. Just give them a basic right to quit their job. Everyone should have that. How would you expect a team to be built and planning to be made for the future, if the players move around as per their whims and fancies? Its not an office job, 20-25 elite players are selected to train day in day out. IMO, It would severely hamper the planning and strategies, if people start moving around quickly. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 18, 2015 9:24:32 GMT
Exactly. Planning a strategy for business growth is hard enough in the real world. I know this first hand.
Nobody forces players to sign four and five year contracts for massive wages. And Zeus knows there are few players left who would see out even that short time at a club out of loyalty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 9:28:55 GMT
It doesn't seem intended to give them more power. Just give them a basic right to quit their job. Everyone should have that. How would you expect a team to be built and planning to be made for the future, if the players move around as per their whims and fancies? Its not an office job, 20-25 elite players are selected to train day in day out. IMO, It would severely hamper the planning and strategies, if people start moving around quickly. They still have contracts that they adhere to. It's just supposed to make it easier. Can't say if it actually will but I do think the current system is very flawed. In big business most people would side with the little guy (i.e the not so rich footballers) but because clubs are involved no one wants the players to have any say. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 18, 2015 9:41:23 GMT
How would you expect a team to be built and planning to be made for the future, if the players move around as per their whims and fancies? Its not an office job, 20-25 elite players are selected to train day in day out. IMO, It would severely hamper the planning and strategies, if people start moving around quickly. They still have contracts that they adhere to. It's just supposed to make it easier. Can't say if it actually will but I do think the current system is very flawed. In big business most people would side with the little guy (i.e the not so rich footballers) but because clubs are involved no one wants the players to have any say. Doesn't that finally boil down to talent? No one can coerce you to sign a 6 year deal. I mean if you are good enough, you should be able to negotiate for a shortened contract. Contracts are a two way process. A player wouldn't sign a 5-6 year contract, if there isn't something substantially good for him. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 18, 2015 9:41:59 GMT
How would you expect a team to be built and planning to be made for the future, if the players move around as per their whims and fancies? Its not an office job, 20-25 elite players are selected to train day in day out. IMO, It would severely hamper the planning and strategies, if people start moving around quickly. They still have contracts that they adhere to. It's just supposed to make it easier. Can't say if it actually will but I do think the current system is very flawed. In big business most people would side with the little guy (i.e the not so rich footballers) but because clubs are involved no one wants the players to have any say. Bosman means players already have most of the say, never mind 'any'. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 9:52:02 GMT
They still have contracts that they adhere to. It's just supposed to make it easier. Can't say if it actually will but I do think the current system is very flawed. In big business most people would side with the little guy (i.e the not so rich footballers) but because clubs are involved no one wants the players to have any say. Bosman means players already have most of the say, never mind 'any'. Prior to Bosman players would be out of contract but still not allowed to leave their club. That's insane. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 9:57:33 GMT
They still have contracts that they adhere to. It's just supposed to make it easier. Can't say if it actually will but I do think the current system is very flawed. In big business most people would side with the little guy (i.e the not so rich footballers) but because clubs are involved no one wants the players to have any say. Doesn't that finally boil down to talent? No one can coerce you to sign a 6 year deal. I mean if you are good enough, you should be able to negotiate for a shortened contract. Contracts are a two way process. A player wouldn't sign a 5-6 year contract, if there isn't something substantially good for him. I'm not sure you're getting it. Loads of professionals aren't rich and aren't getting paid. Why does have less talent mean you have to put up with dodgy working conditions. As for all the issues that don't concern pay, everyone has the right to unionise. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 18, 2015 10:15:06 GMT
Doesn't that finally boil down to talent? No one can coerce you to sign a 6 year deal. I mean if you are good enough, you should be able to negotiate for a shortened contract. Contracts are a two way process. A player wouldn't sign a 5-6 year contract, if there isn't something substantially good for him. I'm not sure you're getting it. Loads of professionals aren't rich and aren't getting paid. Why does have less talent mean you have to put up with dodgy working conditions. As for all the issues that don't concern pay, everyone has the right to unionise. I get that mate. But the players cant have best of both the worlds. Best wages, short contracts and best working conditions. I agree with some of your points, but there needs to be some balance of power. |
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Post by NR7 on Sept 18, 2015 10:32:12 GMT
FIFA is a paragon of virtue. Exactly how sporting bodies should be run.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Sept 25, 2015 14:29:34 GMT
News appears to be breaking that the Swiss authorities have instigated criminal proceedings against Sepp Blatter who is currently being questioned by them.
Edit: Seems that Platini is also to be questioned over an alleged 2 million franc "disloyal payment" from Blatter that's ended up somewhere it probably shouldn't, info supplied (apparently) by that Canary-in-Chief Jack Warner!
Hope this rotten edifice is torn down ASAP
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Post by NR7 on Sept 25, 2015 15:20:35 GMT
What are the ramifications if he is implicated? Will there be a review of the Qatar farce of a WC or that case is closed regardless of this outcome?
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Post by Reduntildeath on Sept 25, 2015 16:37:25 GMT
What are the ramifications if he is implicated? Will there be a review of the Qatar farce of a WC or that case is closed regardless of this outcome? Apparently dates have now been set for Qatar with the final being played on the 18th December,but everything could be on the table after this afternoon. Jim White was so excited on SSN this afternoon that I thought he was going to have a heart attack! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 20:34:18 GMT
what exactly is the point? he's 76, he'll be dead soon
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Post by Bestie on Sept 29, 2015 22:04:27 GMT
Yeh, but, 'STATEMENT! - Look at us banning corrupt people. Sepp wouldn't do that if he was corrupt.'
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