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Post by smithy2 on Oct 10, 2014 14:52:53 GMT
It's the standard of the opposition that kills it for me, too many games that are essentially meaningless. Imagine if United had to play the teams from the qualifying rounds of the F.A cup, that's pretty much what England did last night. In my opinion, there should be a pre-qualifying tournament for the Euros, where teams like San Marino play each other to get in the the qualifier proper, that way they would get some meaningful football against teams they may have a chance against, build some confidence and maybe get more natives interested in football, and actually take it up and improve the selection options in the future. Getting spanked every game does nobody any good, it'd not even like it's good for England beating those kind of teams anywhere between 5 and 10 nil Englands group is embarrassingly easy. |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Oct 10, 2014 22:35:43 GMT
It's the standard of the opposition that kills it for me, too many games that are essentially meaningless. Imagine if United had to play the teams from the qualifying rounds of the F.A cup, that's pretty much what England did last night. In my opinion, there should be a pre-qualifying tournament for the Euros, where teams like San Marino play each other to get in the the qualifier proper, that way they would get some meaningful football against teams they may have a chance against, build some confidence and maybe get more natives interested in football, and actually take it up and improve the selection options in the future. Getting spanked every game does nobody any good, it'd not even like it's good for England beating those kind of teams anywhere between 5 and 10 nil Englands group is embarrassingly easy. And I thought that Spain's were too... |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Oct 10, 2014 23:08:33 GMT
I think there are a lot of players that tend to look at the opposition and not only think they have easy match, they coast along at the oppositions level,
fully expecting that they can turn it on and win the match at any time.
In any professional sport that can easily end up with the higher rated team getting owned like Spain did. Same thing happened to them in Brazil too.
(and as much as I loved the way the USA played, if felt like they got the benefit of some teams underestimating them at the WC.)
England should have gone out there and beat on San Marino like a bunch of rented mules. IMO they coasted and that is something that I hate to see, because
I think it shows laziness, and that can always bite a team in the ass. Need to have that "bloodthirsty/no quarter given" approach to win trophies at the
highest level.
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 11, 2014 8:36:29 GMT
England seem to play better away than at home against San Marino. Last year on the 'Road to Rio', 5 goals in the first half and final score 8-0.
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Post by swimmityswim on Oct 12, 2014 0:12:18 GMT
It's the standard of the opposition that kills it for me, too many games that are essentially meaningless. Imagine if United had to play the teams from the qualifying rounds of the F.A cup, that's pretty much what England did last night. In my opinion, there should be a pre-qualifying tournament for the Euros, where teams like San Marino play each other to get in the the qualifier proper, that way they would get some meaningful football against teams they may have a chance against, build some confidence and maybe get more natives interested in football, and actually take it up and improve the selection options in the future. Getting spanked every game does nobody any good, it'd not even like it's good for England beating those kind of teams anywhere between 5 and 10 nil completely disagree with this. sorry if these games are an inconvenience for the all powerful ingerland national team but it's the same in all regions. brazil have to play the south american minnows. australia play the asian minnows. get over it (this is for fans of all of the top 5/6 european nations). if you want a more challenging qualification campaign, get rid of the multiple levels of seedings. top teams are seeded in the qualification draw, then if they don't automatically qualify, they're seeded in the playoff draw. then after qualification, they're seeded in the tournament proper. ridiculous advantage the entire way through to ensure the top teams make it all the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 5:57:17 GMT
It's the standard of the opposition that kills it for me, too many games that are essentially meaningless. Imagine if United had to play the teams from the qualifying rounds of the F.A cup, that's pretty much what England did last night. In my opinion, there should be a pre-qualifying tournament for the Euros, where teams like San Marino play each other to get in the the qualifier proper, that way they would get some meaningful football against teams they may have a chance against, build some confidence and maybe get more natives interested in football, and actually take it up and improve the selection options in the future. Getting spanked every game does nobody any good, it'd not even like it's good for England beating those kind of teams anywhere between 5 and 10 nil completely disagree with this. sorry if these games are an inconvenience for the all powerful ingerland national team but it's the same in all regions. brazil have to play the south american minnows. australia play the asian minnows. get over it (this is for fans of all of the top 5/6 european nations). if you want a more challenging qualification campaign, get rid of the multiple levels of seedings. top teams are seeded in the qualification draw, then if they don't automatically qualify, they're seeded in the playoff draw. then after qualification, they're seeded in the tournament proper. ridiculous advantage the entire way through to ensure the top teams make it all the way. I don't really give a shit about England. And if you think UEFA or FIFA will do away with seedings, then you're nuts. My proposal would give the smaller teams, that never EVER qualify, some more competitive games against similar class oppostion. Would you rather get spanked 6-0 every game, or win a few here and there? |
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Post by Raf's Hairdryer Treatment on Oct 12, 2014 10:13:17 GMT
completely disagree with this. sorry if these games are an inconvenience for the all powerful ingerland national team but it's the same in all regions. brazil have to play the south american minnows. australia play the asian minnows. get over it (this is for fans of all of the top 5/6 european nations). if you want a more challenging qualification campaign, get rid of the multiple levels of seedings. top teams are seeded in the qualification draw, then if they don't automatically qualify, they're seeded in the playoff draw. then after qualification, they're seeded in the tournament proper. ridiculous advantage the entire way through to ensure the top teams make it all the way. I don't really give a shit about England. And if you think UEFA or FIFA will do away with seedings, then you're nuts. My proposal would give the smaller teams, that never EVER qualify, some more competitive games against similar class oppostion. Would you rather get spanked 6-0 every game, or win a few here and there? Also football has never gotten as much coverage as it has now. People are just eating it up regardless of the 'class' of what's on display. We see live games from u21s, the Championship, even the Dutch top flight! Think if they billed it correctly people would actually watch, and maybe get excited about one or two unheard ofs before the major tournament started. |
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Post by swimmityswim on Oct 12, 2014 12:03:56 GMT
completely disagree with this. sorry if these games are an inconvenience for the all powerful ingerland national team but it's the same in all regions. brazil have to play the south american minnows. australia play the asian minnows. get over it ( this is for fans of all of the top 5/6 european nations). if you want a more challenging qualification campaign, get rid of the multiple levels of seedings. top teams are seeded in the qualification draw, then if they don't automatically qualify, they're seeded in the playoff draw. then after qualification, they're seeded in the tournament proper. ridiculous advantage the entire way through to ensure the top teams make it all the way. . And if you think UEFA or FIFA will do away with seedings, then you're nuts. My proposal would give the smaller teams, that never EVER qualify, some more competitive games against similar class oppostion. Would you rather get spanked 6-0 every game, or win a few here and there? my post wasn't really about england specifically (although i did use them initially as the example), but an idea that playing these smaller teams is beneath the top nations. i for one love seeing teams like n. korea in the world cup. and i remember that this argument was raised during euro 2012 when ireland performed particularly badly despite never having tanked so bad at a major competition before. anyway, san marino are a bad example having never known anything but defeat in their entire history. out of 54 member nations, the likes of armenia, faroe islands, wales, estonia, latvia and lithuania (51st, 49th, 50th, 48th, 46th and 45th respectively) are all potential banana skins for a larger, more accomplished nation and should not be removed from general qualification. |
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Post by swimmityswim on Oct 12, 2014 12:07:32 GMT
completely disagree with this. sorry if these games are an inconvenience for the all powerful ingerland national team but it's the same in all regions. brazil have to play the south american minnows. australia play the asian minnows. get over it (this is for fans of all of the top 5/6 european nations). if you want a more challenging qualification campaign, get rid of the multiple levels of seedings. top teams are seeded in the qualification draw, then if they don't automatically qualify, they're seeded in the playoff draw. then after qualification, they're seeded in the tournament proper. ridiculous advantage the entire way through to ensure the top teams make it all the way. I don't really give a shit about England. And if you think UEFA or FIFA will do away with seedings, then you're nuts. My proposal would give the smaller teams, that never EVER qualify, some more competitive games against similar class oppostion. Would you rather get spanked 6-0 every game, or win a few here and there? never said they would, but you can't really argue that the potential of a "group of death" containing germany, spain, france, england, portugal and san marino wouldn't be more competetive were that at all possible. but of course, the multiple seedings go some way to ensure the top 3 of this group qualify. |
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Post by Deez on Oct 12, 2014 15:51:43 GMT
Delph starting tonight, Roy seems to be trusting him lately
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Post by Deez on Oct 12, 2014 15:53:03 GMT
I don't really give a shit about England. And if you think UEFA or FIFA will do away with seedings, then you're nuts. My proposal would give the smaller teams, that never EVER qualify, some more competitive games against similar class oppostion. Would you rather get spanked 6-0 every game, or win a few here and there? never said they would, but you can't really argue that the potential of a "group of death" containing germany, spain, france, england, portugal and san marino wouldn't be more competetive were that at all possible. but of course, the multiple seedings go some way to ensure the top 3 of this group qualify. We would never make a tournament if that was the group! |
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Post by smithy2 on Oct 12, 2014 17:50:08 GMT
Bit of magic from Wayne.
" I never lost it I just misplaced it boss"
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Oct 12, 2014 19:29:21 GMT
I preface this by saying that I didn't watch the match, but according to the match reports Wayne had a very real problem with his touches, killing many attacking chances. We have witnessed this first hand at the club and it is a head scratcher really. Most find that the fitness is sometimes hard to come back to, but technical form you don't really lose on the scale that Rooney has...
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Post by Bestie on Oct 12, 2014 19:47:41 GMT
Bit of magic from Wayne. " I never lost it I just misplaced it boss" 'Aye boss I've still got it. It's in me pocket.' |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Oct 12, 2014 20:32:35 GMT
Bit of magic from Wayne. " I never lost it I just misplaced it boss" 'Aye boss I've still got it. It's in me pocket.' Seems obvious to me that Rooney works on free kicks a helluva lot more than open play trapping/turning/passing. He is improving in one of those areas and not the other. As a playmaking CAM, which is more important? |
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