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Post by . on Feb 14, 2015 22:38:54 GMT
Got? Gotten? Shall we discuss Warren Barton's verbal incoherence? Dangling gerunds? So many great things to discuss! I'm a big fan of Fowler's, myself. grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/ |
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Post by _ on Feb 14, 2015 22:41:39 GMT
I'd rather discuss how third rate players get to be pundits |
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Post by . on Feb 14, 2015 22:43:32 GMT
I'd rather discuss how third rate players get to be pundits No kidding! Barton was a minor blip on Newcastle and had one call up or one international goal, and he's an expert? I agree that he looks great in a suit, and has a full head of luxurious hair, but he's never said anything as a pundit that wasn't completely obvious. |
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Post by king nothing on Feb 14, 2015 23:04:37 GMT
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Post by . on Feb 15, 2015 0:18:43 GMT
Bestie pointed out how "gotten" isn't a word on another thread, and then that devolved into people pointing out that "gotten" is acceptable in North America - despite the fact that it is not an Americanism and in fact pre-dated the USA by several centuries. This is a piss-take thread, in other words.
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Post by . on Feb 15, 2015 0:59:26 GMT
Got vs. gotten
In American and Canadian English, the past participle of the verb get is usually gotten. For example, we might say, “I have gotten behind on my work,” or, “The book was not gotten easily.” Got is the participle in some uses, though, such as where has got to or have got to means must (e.g., “We have got to go to the store.”) and where has got or have got means has or have (e.g., “I have got five sisters.”)
In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.
That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century, but it was eventually picked up again on the other side of the Atlantic, perhaps by analogy with forgotten.
The vehemence of some Britons’ scorn for gotten likely has to do with the fact that it has gained ground in British English over the last couple of decades. Many English speakers from outside North America resist the encroachment of so-called Americanisms (many of which, like gotten, are not actually American in origin) on their versions of English, and, for mysterious reasons, some feel especially strongly about gotten
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:18:11 GMT
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Post by _ on Feb 15, 2015 11:40:19 GMT
Got vs. gotten In American and Canadian English, the past participle of the verb get is usually gotten. For example, we might say, “I have gotten behind on my work,” or, “The book was not gotten easily.” Got is the participle in some uses, though, such as where has got to or have got to means must (e.g., “We have got to go to the store.”) and where has got or have got means has or have (e.g., “I have got five sisters.”) In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin. That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century, but it was eventually picked up again on the other side of the Atlantic, perhaps by analogy with forgotten. The vehemence of some Britons’ scorn for gotten likely has to do with the fact that it has gained ground in British English over the last couple of decades. Many English speakers from outside North America resist the encroachment of so-called Americanisms (many of which, like gotten, are not actually American in origin) on their versions of English, and, for mysterious reasons, some feel especially strongly about gotten grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/ Gotten is recorded in both The Oxford and Websters dictionaries. Etymologically, gotten originates from Middle English but is no longer in general use in British English, whereas it is common in America. It implies having or obtaining something. As to Barton, his face fits US telly, his comments are barely knowledgeable or comprehensible at times. He is obviously US based and appears in studios but when Fox cover a game in England they tend to rely on local pundits like Lee Dixon. Streaming Fox in Europe is easier than Sky etc. |
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Post by DiegoRed on Feb 18, 2015 22:51:45 GMT
Got vs. gotten In American and Canadian English, the past participle of the verb get is usually gotten. For example, we might say, “I have gotten behind on my work,” or, “The book was not gotten easily.” Got is the participle in some uses, though, such as where has got to or have got to means must (e.g., “We have got to go to the store.”) and where has got or have got means has or have (e.g., “I have got five sisters.”) In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin. That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century, but it was eventually picked up again on the other side of the Atlantic, perhaps by analogy with forgotten. The vehemence of some Britons’ scorn for gotten likely has to do with the fact that it has gained ground in British English over the last couple of decades. Many English speakers from outside North America resist the encroachment of so-called Americanisms (many of which, like gotten, are not actually American in origin) on their versions of English, and, for mysterious reasons, some feel especially strongly about gotten grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/ Gotten is recorded in both The Oxford and Websters dictionaries. Etymologically, gotten originates from Middle English but is no longer in general use in British English, whereas it is common in America. It implies having or obtaining something. As to Barton, his face fits US telly, his comments are barely knowledgeable or comprehensible at times. He is obviously US based and appears in studios but when Fox cover a game in England they tend to rely on local pundits like Lee Dixon. Streaming Fox in Europe is easier than Sky etc. I think just for shits and giggles they should force all you guys to watch the U.S. stream of Football games on Fox. Barton, Lalas, and Wynlada, Winalda whatever the fuck his name is and that boy band looking little shit are the worst. In all fairness I don't hate NBC's people and find Rebecca Lowe strangley attractive. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 23:21:23 GMT
Gotten is recorded in both The Oxford and Websters dictionaries. Etymologically, gotten originates from Middle English but is no longer in general use in British English, whereas it is common in America. It implies having or obtaining something. As to Barton, his face fits US telly, his comments are barely knowledgeable or comprehensible at times. He is obviously US based and appears in studios but when Fox cover a game in England they tend to rely on local pundits like Lee Dixon. Streaming Fox in Europe is easier than Sky etc. I think just for shits and giggles they should force all you guys to watch the U.S. stream of Football games on Fox. Barton, Lalas, and Wynlada, Winalda whatever the fuck his name is and that boy band looking little shit are the worst. In all fairness I don't hate NBC's people and find Rebecca Lowe strangley attractive. I've watched football on Fox and NBC before - I did not like it. I did not also like the sheer number of adverts on US tv. While in vegas I was getting ready to goto dinner and put the TV on, it was some tv show where some white skater dude was standing infront of 2/3 people sitting down and they were talking about some clips (that isn't the point) but it was 2mins of tv show and 2 mins of adverts. How do people put up with that level of shit? It's bad enough here on every channel except bbc having an advert every 15 or so mins but every 2, get outa' here. I think that would stop me living in the states by itself (either that or just not watching tv) |
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Post by CaajScot on Feb 18, 2015 23:35:57 GMT
I think just for shits and giggles they should force all you guys to watch the U.S. stream of Football games on Fox. Barton, Lalas, and Wynlada, Winalda whatever the fuck his name is and that boy band looking little shit are the worst. In all fairness I don't hate NBC's people and find Rebecca Lowe strangley attractive. I've watched football on Fox and NBC before - I did not like it. I did not also like the sheer number of adverts on US tv. While in vegas I was getting ready to goto dinner and put the TV on, it was some tv show where some white skater dude was standing infront of 2/3 people sitting down and they were talking about some clips (that isn't the point) but it was 2mins of tv show and 2 mins of adverts. How do people put up with that level of shit? It's bad enough here on every channel except bbc having an advert every 15 or so mins but every 2, get outa' here. I think that would stop me living in the states by itself (either that or just not watching tv) I am on Virgin TV package and some of the channels on that go overboard with adverts. If I ear mark something good to watch I will record it and watch it later. That way I can skip the adverts by fast forward. But I have noticed also that American sports shows do tend to show far too many adverts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 23:36:34 GMT
I think just for shits and giggles they should force all you guys to watch the U.S. stream of Football games on Fox. Barton, Lalas, and Wynlada, Winalda whatever the fuck his name is and that boy band looking little shit are the worst. In all fairness I don't hate NBC's people and find Rebecca Lowe strangley attractive. I've watched football on Fox and NBC before - I did not like it. I did not also like the sheer number of adverts on US tv. While in vegas I was getting ready to goto dinner and put the TV on, it was some tv show where some white skater dude was standing infront of 2/3 people sitting down and they were talking about some clips (that isn't the point) but it was 2mins of tv show and 2 mins of adverts. How do people put up with that level of shit? It's bad enough here on every channel except bbc having an advert every 15 or so mins but every 2, get outa' here. I think that would stop me living in the states by itself (either that or just not watching tv) It's the same here.. Probably worse. I refuse to watch American or Aus sports on free to air because they are so start/stop that there's and add after every touchdown/goal or whatever. The same add over & over. I watched the last quarter of a basketball game once. It was delayed so they put full add breaks in plus all the stupid stops for the game for the coaches to talk tactics. the last quarter went for about an hour. Never again |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 23:37:49 GMT
When United played Aus in 99 they put ads during the game. It would cut away from live football for bloody ads. Thankfully Foxtels coverage is fantastic.
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Post by _ on Feb 18, 2015 23:44:38 GMT
NBC has good coverage (during the game and not the two fucking Robbies) but I hate the ads they play during the game which takes up a quarter of the screen ... and why are there so many ads for fitness equipment when most of their target audience are fat fucks like me?  Barton and Wynalda on Fux Succer? - Grampy and I have long thought there is a bit of touching going on under that desk  - and Lallas looks weird without his Catweazle look and there is some other guy who played about 4 MLS games Sky has by far the best coverage during the game but way too many ex-Liverpool twats as pundits Setanta coverage is pretty good ... but they ALL should learn fucking English  Which reminds me - I was watching a doc series with Patrick Macnee hosting (English if a little camp) and he was talking about vortexes and there there was something else where he didn't use the correct plural - did he really have to dumb it down for the American audience? Has anyone noticed I'm a fierce protector of the English language?  Rant over - time for Ovaltine I bet someone finds a typo in all that lot just to make me look a twat .. I bet you're re-reading it right now, aren't you?  |
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