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Mar 12, 2017 21:44:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 21:44:55 GMT
Everytime he stepped on the pitch for us it was half arsed and lackluster. Memphis got too much attention for the car and luxurious stuff from the press so the general ideal is that he was a lazy leech (untrue) but he wasn't half arsed on the pitch, it simply didn't work at the time. He tried what he could every time. He's always been brilliant against lesser teams. Looked genuinely lost against better teams. Might have been a few years early for him or he might not be that good. Time will tell. |
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Memphis
Mar 12, 2017 21:48:06 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Mar 12, 2017 21:48:06 GMT
 Same old bullshit narrative. If it was bullshit he wouldn't have been shipped off to France. Whatever makes it easier for you though. |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 12, 2017 21:51:32 GMT
Nonsense. There has been no evidence of him not having a work ethic. Everytime he stepped on the pitch for us it was half arsed and lackluster. That just isn't true. See when he came on vs. Arsenal in the 3-2 for a perfect example. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Mar 12, 2017 21:55:49 GMT
Memphis got too much attention for the car and luxurious stuff from the press so the general ideal is that he was a lazy leech (untrue) but he wasn't half arsed on the pitch, it simply didn't work at the time. He tried what he could every time. He's always been brilliant against lesser teams. Looked genuinely lost against better teams. Might have been a few years early for him or he might not be that good. Time will tell. Hes' maturing. He has been good for Lyon (yuck) and can't be dissed like that just because he wasn't good for us at a certain period (something he can be). You're right when you say time will tell, and he it can probably bring us some good news (buy back!!!) Smithy said he wasn't half arsed, something I disagree with. Mourinho said back in December he's a fantastic professional and he indeed seemed to give all he got on the matches (Mlu said more or less something like that). However, he had too much attention to himself because the press would slate him every week for his expensive purchases, and it lead to the narrative that he wasn't trying, laziness etc |
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Post by redcase on Mar 12, 2017 22:18:12 GMT
Same old bullshit narrative. If it was bullshit he wouldn't have been shipped off to France. Whatever makes it easier for you though. He was shipped off to France because Martial and Rashford were chosen by the manager in his stead. We are , after all, overloaded with wingers thanks to a fucking ridiculous transfer policy over the past years. We already know a buyback clause has been inserted in his contract. Wouldn't have been done if he was shite. |
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Memphis
Mar 12, 2017 23:34:25 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Mar 12, 2017 23:34:25 GMT
If it was bullshit he wouldn't have been shipped off to France. Whatever makes it easier for you though. He was shipped off to France because Martial and Rashford were chosen by the manager in his stead. We are , after all, overloaded with wingers thanks to a fucking ridiculous transfer policy over the past years. We already know a buyback clause has been inserted in his contract. Wouldn't have been done if he was shite. I understand fans invest a lot on certain players and that causes them to maybe overlook certain things and they tend to remember the one good game more than the other multiple poor games. I had an open mind with Depay but he just didn't deliver and in my opinion ( and many others) he just didn't look like he wanted to put the work in. I wish him luck but I'll be stunned to see him back in a united shirt. |
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Post by Kojak on Mar 13, 2017 1:40:34 GMT
I think his biggest problem was that he had the confidence ripped out of him. He just looked a shell of himself for the latter part of his time here, outside of the game against Midgetland, which sort of doesn't count because they were awful, but was also at the time the most fun I'd had watching a United performance in ages.
I remember reading that he was spending a lot of time in the gym which contributed to him looking slower, so that's the antithesis of not working hard enough if anything.
I liked him. A lot of talent. He probably came in under the wrong manager. If he'd come in under someone like Fergie who valued wingers, and allowed them to express themselves, it might've been different. LVG wasn't really keen on wingers being wingers. Luke Shaw's leg break affected him too in that they had a good partnership going. Good luck to him. We've got first refusal anyway.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 13, 2017 9:15:19 GMT
He was shipped off to France because Martial and Rashford were chosen by the manager in his stead. We are , after all, overloaded with wingers thanks to a fucking ridiculous transfer policy over the past years. We already know a buyback clause has been inserted in his contract. Wouldn't have been done if he was shite. I understand fans invest a lot on certain players and that causes them to maybe overlook certain things and they tend to remember the one good game more than the other multiple poor games. I had an open mind with Depay but he just didn't deliver and in my opinion ( and many others) he just didn't look like he wanted to put the work in. I wish him luck but I'll be stunned to see him back in a united shirt. Say he didn't perform. He missed a lot of opportunities to prove himself. Say he had shockers. He absolutely did. You categorically cannot say he wasn't putting the work in though. That is a genuinely bullshit narrative that just happens to suit so that the club isn't at fault in any way. The same way that Pogba became a money-chasing whore when he left for Juventus when in actual fact it was because we had played fucking Ryan Giggs and a right back in midfield ahead of him. Memphis never got a real chance for us. I said in the run up to January that selling him after a season of van Gaal football and just half a season of limited chances under Mourinho would be a bad decision and I don't think that has changed. |
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Memphis
Mar 13, 2017 9:18:19 GMT
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Post by redcase on Mar 13, 2017 9:18:19 GMT
I understand fans invest a lot on certain players and that causes them to maybe overlook certain things and they tend to remember the one good game more than the other multiple poor games. I had an open mind with Depay but he just didn't deliver and in my opinion ( and many others) he just didn't look like he wanted to put the work in. I wish him luck but I'll be stunned to see him back in a united shirt. Say he didn't perform. He missed a lot of opportunities to prove himself. Say he had shockers. He absolutely did. You categorically cannot say he wasn't putting the work in though. That is a genuinely bullshit narrative that just happens to suit so that the club isn't at fault in any way. The same way that Pogba became a money-chasing whore when he left for Juventus when in actual fact it was because we had played fucking Ryan Giggs and a right back in midfield ahead of him. Memphis never got a real chance for us. I said in the run up to January that selling him after a season of van Gaal football and just half a season of limited chances under Mourinho would be a bad decision and I don't think that has changed. Preach. Said it in the other thread as well, but how much could we have used him today. On the wing or in the middle. Confidence is key, he's got it now. |
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Post by _ on Mar 13, 2017 11:33:53 GMT
Wouldn't you know
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Post by Karma on Mar 13, 2017 12:26:31 GMT
Yeah him and Schneiderlin both getting goals this weekend. Maybe they just could step up in a big team? |
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Post by Tatty on Mar 13, 2017 12:41:53 GMT
Yeah him and Schneiderlin both getting goals this weekend. Maybe they just could step up in a big team? Guarantee no one will say anything if Schneiderlin or Memphis both have stinkers in their next game. Schneiderlin could have 0% passing accuracy and score with a deflection off his bollocks and people will still say he should be here. Fact is, neither showed enough, IMO, in their time here. Memphis maybe deserved another season, but ran the risk of stagnating if he couldn't force himself ahead of the other wide players we have, and people only really want him back because of 20/20 Hindsight. Schneiderlin just wasn't the player I thought we were getting, and are probably lucky we got our money back on him. Regardless. 10-0! |
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Memphis
Mar 13, 2017 14:56:57 GMT
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Mar 13, 2017 14:56:57 GMT
In some ways I feel Schneiderlin wasn't given a fair crack at United, left out for vast stretches of matches whilst others were continually getting picked in spite of playing badly. He's quality.
As has been said above, Memphis is a confidence player and most expect him to score buckets in that league.
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Memphis
Mar 13, 2017 16:16:40 GMT
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Post by Kojak on Mar 13, 2017 16:16:40 GMT
Schneiderlin was poor for us generally. He had a couple of awful games in Europe. Just an incredibly limited player. Having said that, he was also bereft of confidence by the time we sold him, although that probably affects you less as a supposed tackling midfielder than it would a tricky winger like Memphis.
Bestie nailed it really. You can't criticise anyone's work rate behind the scenes, because you've got no facts whatsoever to back that up. It's not like Memphis rocked up looking borderline fat like Luke Shaw. If he all of a sudden looked miles heavier, then you could make that argument. But he didn't.
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Post by RAZ on Mar 17, 2017 17:12:00 GMT
9 games,5 goals 3 assists for memphis.now that is a strong start to his lyon career.i really hope he keeps that going and comes back one day
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