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Post by traffordbrown on Aug 17, 2015 21:52:13 GMT
I just read this could be going tits up. Valencia upping the price?
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Post by Kamilo on Aug 17, 2015 22:05:03 GMT
Is he worth more than 40m?. Is he even worth 40m in the first place?
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Post by Stew on Aug 17, 2015 22:41:11 GMT
Is he worth more than 40m?. Is he even worth 40m in the first place? Euros.
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Post by Stew on Aug 17, 2015 22:41:55 GMT
What have we to gain from that? Nothing but to annoy the bastards and to cost them money. In the cold light of day, that's a bit Dan Brown isn't it?
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Post by sbennettuk on Aug 17, 2015 22:58:23 GMT
Why is it that the majority of United supporters, pundits, media and even non United supporters can see exactly who and what we need to add to our squad but LvG doesn't? I mean he has said how pleased he is with our defending in the opening 2 games this season and the fact we haven't conceded yet but realistically, Spurs and Villa hardly caused a threat to our defence in those games. What happens if he sticks with Smalling and Blind as the center pairing and we come up against a real attacking threat? They won't cope and also we have to take into account the injury record is very poor with our defenders, so what happens if Smalling gets injured and we end up with Jones and Evans at the back? LvG has said man ytimes that the club will only sign a player if he will improve the squad, so why not just buy Otamendi? He is better than what we have at the moment. And the same goes for up front, Rooney will not get 20-30 goals this season, he has become a victim of playing out of the striker role for about 3 years, he has mainly been a number 10 or played deeper. It's in his mindset to drop deep now but he has lost a lot of his pace and ability and I don't think he will ever get back to what he was and that is now also an issue. LvG says he has 3 years to make United Champions again but in my honest opinion, with the slow pedestrian style we are playing, combined with the lack of quality in areas that need it, he will not get that title at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 23:43:59 GMT
Nothing but to annoy the bastards and to cost them money. In the cold light of day, that's a bit Dan Brown isn't it? I think those kind of tactics happen all the time. That's why the media can be so convinced yet so wrong. This one is a bit different because there was an actual meeting between clubs but the meeting was supposed to be about De Gea & we clearly didn't want that meeting yet. A word from Ramos' brother to United to help Ramos & help ourselves at the same time & we get a bit of leverage in the De Gea transfer. Now time is running out & Real are getting more desperate. I don't think we are because LVG seems to have faith in Romero. I just think it's well played by Woodward.
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Post by . on Aug 18, 2015 1:46:26 GMT
Why is it that the majority of United supporters, pundits, media and even non United supporters can see exactly who and what we need to add to our squad but LvG doesn't? I mean he has said how pleased he is with our defending in the opening 2 games this season and the fact we haven't conceded yet but realistically, Spurs and Villa hardly caused a threat to our defence in those games. What happens if he sticks with Smalling and Blind as the center pairing and we come up against a real attacking threat? They won't cope and also we have to take into account the injury record is very poor with our defenders, so what happens if Smalling gets injured and we end up with Jones and Evans at the back? LvG has said man ytimes that the club will only sign a player if he will improve the squad, so why not just buy Otamendi? He is better than what we have at the moment. And the same goes for up front, Rooney will not get 20-30 goals this season, he has become a victim of playing out of the striker role for about 3 years, he has mainly been a number 10 or played deeper. It's in his mindset to drop deep now but he has lost a lot of his pace and ability and I don't think he will ever get back to what he was and that is now also an issue. LvG says he has 3 years to make United Champions again but in my honest opinion, with the slow pedestrian style we are playing, combined with the lack of quality in areas that need it, he will not get that title at all. Short answer is that LVG is a professional manager who has won everything and watches the players at every training session, and therefore he knows more than we do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 2:00:51 GMT
Why is it that the majority of United supporters, pundits, media and even non United supporters can see exactly who and what we need to add to our squad but LvG doesn't? I mean he has said how pleased he is with our defending in the opening 2 games this season and the fact we haven't conceded yet but realistically, Spurs and Villa hardly caused a threat to our defence in those games. What happens if he sticks with Smalling and Blind as the center pairing and we come up against a real attacking threat? They won't cope and also we have to take into account the injury record is very poor with our defenders, so what happens if Smalling gets injured and we end up with Jones and Evans at the back? LvG has said man ytimes that the club will only sign a player if he will improve the squad, so why not just buy Otamendi? He is better than what we have at the moment. And the same goes for up front, Rooney will not get 20-30 goals this season, he has become a victim of playing out of the striker role for about 3 years, he has mainly been a number 10 or played deeper. It's in his mindset to drop deep now but he has lost a lot of his pace and ability and I don't think he will ever get back to what he was and that is now also an issue. LvG says he has 3 years to make United Champions again but in my honest opinion, with the slow pedestrian style we are playing, combined with the lack of quality in areas that need it, he will not get that title at all. Short answer is that LVG is a professional manager who has won everything and watches the players at every training session, and therefore he knows more than we do. Mascherano isn't a centre back. Look at his trophies. LVG will frustrate with things that don't appear to make sense. Some of them won't work. Some of them will be brilliant. I was sceptical about Blind but he's such a good player & also cheap. Van Gaal might have just saved us 40million & improved us as a team.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 18, 2015 5:28:53 GMT
Blind is no doubt a smart player however cb is a different animal and smarts might no be enough against the best of the best. I hope more for the player that he goes a great job as his attitude to the cause is amazing. On Ramos we got mugged pure and simple let's not butter it up, no elaborate plans by Ed he played a card that was never gonna be a winner. If anything as the market draws to a close we are the more desperate ones. We have lingaard, valdes, ddg and Romero and Johnston. That's a Harry rednapp type move. The situation would only seen better for me if 2 are sold 1 loaned or 3 are sold. Ddg would be a loss no doubt as he is in the top three in the world on form arguably the best but we should have sold him in June and got a replacement in by now, having the manger Feed stories to the press on his head not being there is a messy job that could have been avoided. Real aren't desperate for him they have 2 keepers that they feel can do the job for a season, they have other priorities to blow their money on and I can't for the life of me see them breaking the transfer record for a keeper that has a year left on his contract, if they do truly Ed has played high stakes poker and won.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 5:45:31 GMT
Blind is no doubt a smart player however cb is a different animal and smarts might no be enough against the best of the best. I hope more for the player that he goes a great job as his attitude to the cause is amazing. On Ramos we got mugged pure and simple let's not butter it up, no elaborate plans by Ed he played a card that was never gonna be a winner. If anything as the market draws to a close we are the more desperate ones. We have lingaard, valdes, ddg and Romero and Johnston. That's a Harry rednapp type move. The situation would only seen better for me if 2 are sold 1 loaned or 3 are sold. Ddg would be a loss no doubt as he is in the top three in the world on form arguably the best but we should have sold him in June and got a replacement in by now, having the manger Feed stories to the press on his head not being there is a messy job that could have been avoided. Real aren't desperate for him they have 2 keepers that they feel can do the job for a season, they have other priorities to blow their money on and I can't for the life of me see them breaking the transfer record for a keeper that has a year left on his contract, if they do truly Ed has played high stakes poker and won. Can't really agree with any of it. We are not in the desperate position people keep claiming we are. We are in a very solid position this year & we have a shot at the League. Good chance we won't win but we'll be up there. Absolutely no reason we should be so worried about getting a fee for De Gea. People need to chill. 3 weeks ago Woodward was a hero & now everyone is going mental.
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Post by redcase on Aug 18, 2015 6:17:04 GMT
I'd advise you guys to have a look at Blind's performances more closely . Gary Neville spoke about it last night on MNF . He's really done alright. And with Schneiderlin in front of him doing what he does best , Blind is able to do what he does best as well. From a centre back position. If there was a lot of aerial threat coming our way then maybe we would have a problem but apart from that, we've done okay with him in there so far. Can't predict what would happen against City or the rents but I don't think it will be shambolic.
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Post by Banky on Aug 18, 2015 7:20:28 GMT
I'd advise you guys to have a look at Blind's performances more closely . Gary Neville spoke about it last night on MNF . He's really done alright. And with Schneiderlin in front of him doing what he does best , Blind is able to do what he does best as well. From a centre back position. If there was a lot of aerial threat coming our way then maybe we would have a problem but apart from that, we've done okay with him in there so far. Can't predict what would happen against City or the rents but I don't think it will be shambolic. I completely agree with this. What Blind loses in pace and height, he more than makes up for in intelligence and vision. One of the biggest things lacking from our defence in the last couple of seasons has been communication and leadership, Blind brings that. He organises the defence, talks to them, and rarely panics, and that in turn creates confidence throughout the back line. I think he's vital there at the moment. He probably will get done in some games by the likes of Aguero but so will 90% of the Centre backs in the league.
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Post by NR7 on Aug 18, 2015 7:46:33 GMT
Ramos or bust is patently untrue. All of last summer and this we chased Hummels. But for a change in manager, he might well have come.. Both captains, loads of top level experience and some of the best ball playing CBs around, I'd wager that is the exact profile LVG was looking for. Ties in with a few journos saying we were never really interested in NO..
Worth remembering back in Jan, Smalling was still Nanified. He gradually stepped up and became the defender defender of the CB pairing. That could explain our NO interest back then but not anymore..
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Post by Stew on Aug 18, 2015 7:58:12 GMT
I'd advise you guys to have a look at Blind's performances more closely . Gary Neville spoke about it last night on MNF . He's really done alright. And with Schneiderlin in front of him doing what he does best , Blind is able to do what he does best as well. From a centre back position. If there was a lot of aerial threat coming our way then maybe we would have a problem but apart from that, we've done okay with him in there so far. Can't predict what would happen against City or the rents but I don't think it will be shambolic. Blind is a wonderful footballer and as Yez I think says wholehearted for the cause. We all worried what the likes of Navas and Sterling would do to him last year but if you remember they both beat him very early on and it never happened again. When Gestade came on the other night. Mike switched over to him and the aerial thing wasn't an issue.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 18, 2015 8:08:18 GMT
Is he worth more than 40m?. Is he even worth 40m in the first place? No he isn't. 18 months ago they paid £10million for him and even loaned him out for the first part. One decent season and a quadrupling in value, complete fleecing. The problem remain there aren't actually that many good CBs around at the moment. Yes we could try and throw money at it, but it'll be throwing big money at someone who offered very few guarantees. I haven't been fussed about a CB in general since before summer, what we need more than a name is a stable unit. Improving the cover in front of them was also important.
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