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Post by Stew on Sept 9, 2015 22:54:22 GMT
So hang on- we now have 2 strikers, one of whom has never played a minute of football in England and the other is fucking useless. Lunacy. Aye Some interesting times are coming. It begins on Saturday with a pasting of the Scousers. I think that with the players that are there they have to play attacking football, and gonna have to rely on the younger players to really step it up. But then I have always favored a bit of lunacy in the teams I support. Put LvG in the crosshairs, but, IMO, it is not time to pull the trigger yet There aren't any young players left to step up. |
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Post by Deez on Sept 9, 2015 22:54:06 GMT
What the fuck is going on
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Post by grandpaTJ on Sept 9, 2015 23:03:21 GMT
Aye Some interesting times are coming. It begins on Saturday with a pasting of the Scousers. I think that with the players that are there they have to play attacking football, and gonna have to rely on the younger players to really step it up. But then I have always favored a bit of lunacy in the teams I support. Put LvG in the crosshairs, but, IMO, it is not time to pull the trigger yet There aren't any young players left to step up. I am on the downhill slide to the century mark, I see 25 or 26 and younger as young players, still coming into their best years. Physically they might be right approaching prime, but mentally they still have growing to do Playing time is the best way to grow them up. Young Wilson will be starting from the outset at Derby, and will be ready to rock if needed towards mid Season An that means that Martail and Memphis or maybe even Periera are there and will be under direct tutelage of big clubs coaches as year progresses Would think that the fact he sent Wilson on loan subject to recall would be he has confidence in Wilson to step up to big club if needed, and wants to have other kids closer to work with them directly. |
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Post by swimmityswim on Sept 9, 2015 23:11:07 GMT
the last three departures (albeit on loan) make absolutely no sense to me.
he clearly didn't rate hernandez and i won't lament his departure, but januzaj and wilson were absolutely necessary in the current squad.
rooney, martial (no pressure, son!) and fellaini as forwards it is then
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Post by grandpaTJ on Sept 9, 2015 23:44:40 GMT
the last three departures (albeit on loan) make absolutely no sense to me. he clearly didn't rate hernandez and i won't lament his departure, but januzaj and wilson were absolutely necessary in the current squad. rooney, martial (no pressure, son!) and fellaini as forwards it is then Don't think Ladnan is absolutely necessary, though I understand his being on loan, because I don't see him starting in front of the players already there, and he needs playing time. Wilson, the way I see it, as a manager, LvG is working with young players, does he want to send the ones that need the most work out on loan, or does he want them there to work with the coaches he trusts on his staff. He wants Janu to get playing time, an I don't think he believes that he is ready to start yet. I think that loaning Wilson with the clause to bring him back on request is smart move. Wilson is the most polished of the youngsters, and with Derby he should be a dialed in starter. So he will get max playing time, he is class, so he'll get goals, which will give him confidence and polish his skills, and he is a phone call away if LvG needs him to come back. I would be worried if he wasn't subject to recall, but the way it is set up makes sense to me. The other youngsters, I think he kept them there because he wants them working with his staff so that he can supervise their development. That seems to me to fit with the "philosophy"  |
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Post by swimmityswim on Sept 9, 2015 23:50:29 GMT
the last three departures (albeit on loan) make absolutely no sense to me. he clearly didn't rate hernandez and i won't lament his departure, but januzaj and wilson were absolutely necessary in the current squad. rooney, martial (no pressure, son!) and fellaini as forwards it is then Don't think Ladnan is absolutely necessary, though I understand his being on loan, because I don't see him starting in front of the players already there, and he needs playing time. Wilson, the way I see it, as a manager, LvG is working with young players, does he want to send the ones that need the most work out on loan, or does he want them there to work with the coaches he trusts on his staff. He wants Janu to get playing time, an I don't think he believes that he is ready to start yet. I think that loaning Wilson with the clause to bring him back on request is smart move. Wilson is the most polished of the youngsters, and with Derby he should be a dialed in starter. So he will get max playing time, he is class, so he'll get goals, which will give him confidence and polish his skills, and he is a phone call away if LvG needs him to come back. I would be worried if he wasn't subject to recall, but the way it is set up makes sense to me. The other youngsters, I think he kept them there because he wants them working with his staff so that he can supervise their development. That seems to me to fit with the "philosophy" disagree, grampy. everything would have been fine, had we kept rvp, falcao and/or chicharito. knowing that we would be left with 1 senior striker, LVG allowed rvp, falcao, henriquez, hernandez, januzaj and wilson leave the squad. our troubles have been putting ball in net, and now we're left relying on a misfiring, over the hill, undroppable superstar, an untested 19 year old from another country, unfamiliar with PL and a converted midfielder. he has set himself up for failure big time. might as well throw mcnair, jones and perreira out on loan. we've enough keepers and versatile midfielders to cover for them. |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Sept 10, 2015 0:05:23 GMT
Don't think Ladnan is absolutely necessary, though I understand his being on loan, because I don't see him starting in front of the players already there, and he needs playing time. Wilson, the way I see it, as a manager, LvG is working with young players, does he want to send the ones that need the most work out on loan, or does he want them there to work with the coaches he trusts on his staff. He wants Janu to get playing time, an I don't think he believes that he is ready to start yet. I think that loaning Wilson with the clause to bring him back on request is smart move. Wilson is the most polished of the youngsters, and with Derby he should be a dialed in starter. So he will get max playing time, he is class, so he'll get goals, which will give him confidence and polish his skills, and he is a phone call away if LvG needs him to come back. I would be worried if he wasn't subject to recall, but the way it is set up makes sense to me. The other youngsters, I think he kept them there because he wants them working with his staff so that he can supervise their development. That seems to me to fit with the "philosophy" disagree, grampy. everything would have been fine, had we kept rvp, falcao and/or chicharito. knowing that we would be left with 1 senior striker, LVG allowed rvp, falcao, henriquez, hernandez, januzaj and wilson leave the squad. our troubles have been putting ball in net, and now we're left relying on a misfiring, over the hill, undroppable superstar, an untested 19 year old from another country, unfamiliar with PL and a converted midfielder. he has set himself up for failure big time. might as well throw mcnair, jones and perreira out on loan. we've enough keepers and versatile midfielders to cover for them. I can't disagree with what you think could well happen, though I hope like hell it doesn't. But, I think that what I said would best explain what LvG's reasoning was for what he did. One thing that I think most would agree on is that LvG just does not have it in him to think that anything he envisions could possibly backfire on him, or that one of his tactical plans could fail. LvG's lack of familiarity wtih PL bit him right square in the ass last season up until about Boxing day , then it got better, if he gets bit in the ass like that this year, club might not even make it back to the CL given the improvement in clubs like Swansea, and they most definitely are a side that can play havoc with top 4 or 5 clubs in the league. Hopefully there is some method to his madness, I believe that with the players he still has he is going to have to rely on an attacking style of play if he is seriously thinking he can get in top 3, we'll find out come Saturday My "take" on what I think LvG is doing is based on his complete confidence (arrogance) in his football brilliance |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 10, 2015 4:54:44 GMT
LvG is not doing any good to his reputation. My staunch support for him is at the brink.
I understand Ladnan's situation, as it matched my opinion that he is not ready to start here and would do well with a loan move. The only question is whether he will get game time at Dortmund. Yes, he scored for them, but cant get too excited about it as it was not a competitive match IMO. If he starts regularly, loaning him out would be one of the best decisions of this season.
As far as Willo is concerned, he should be 2nd in the pecking order (considering captain undroppable). Martial is not an out and out striker and Fellaini is a converted one; an experiment which wont last long. Yes, effective in some games, but would be useless in a few. Glad that we have a recall clause for Willo, and hope better sense prevails and we call him back sooner than later.
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Post by thesheepdog on Sept 10, 2015 5:38:14 GMT
I can understand other comments above in terms of the logic but that's if we had 3 or 4 top class centre forwards like we have had in previous years not when we have just Rooney and the jury is out on whether he is still top drawer. LVG has to either win something this year or improve on 4th else in my opinion he will be given the boot so why start the season with such a weak attack . Don't get it at all
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Post by . on Sept 10, 2015 5:43:09 GMT
Fuck you, you mad Dutch cunt.
Rooney's gonna get knobbled, Martial will get a bruised toenail, and we'll be left with Fellaini and BLIND as our goddamn strikers.
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Post by . on Sept 10, 2015 5:45:58 GMT
Aye Some interesting times are coming. It begins on Saturday with a pasting of the Scousers. I think that with the players that are there they have to play attacking football, and gonna have to rely on the younger players to really step it up. But then I have always favored a bit of lunacy in the teams I support. Put LvG in the crosshairs, but, IMO, it is not time to pull the trigger yet There aren't any young players left to step up. Is Johnstone any good with his feet? I hope so, he's our starting striker next week! |
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Post by NR7 on Sept 10, 2015 6:53:43 GMT
No CL and had RVP, Falcao last season yet Wilson was playing U21s. With more workload and grandpa, a 19 yr kid from France, he is loaned to fucking championship. Fucking ace. Makes perfect sense  |
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Post by IRD17_Kaushik on Sept 10, 2015 7:10:57 GMT
Loaning out Wilson doesn't make any sense to me, ok he may not be ready for first team football but still a good back up to have, we have enough matches this season to give playing time to Wilson and LVG screwed that opportunity. We are now left with a new guy and Rooney We already have a thin squad, God help us if we had injuries like last season. And if LVG felt he wasnt ready then why the hell he had him in the squad last season when we had Rooney,Falcao, RVP to play there and with less matches to play  |
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Post by troubleontheway on Sept 10, 2015 8:35:57 GMT
The good thing about LVG is that he really backs the young players at a club and helps them break into the first team.
Oh, wait.
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 10, 2015 8:38:47 GMT
The good thing about LVG is that he really backs the young players at a club and helps them break into the first team. Oh, wait. If thats the case then 29 is young  |
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