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Post by Bestie on Sept 7, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
People are mad with Lingard because he turned down a new contract as he wants to play? But not mad at the club for offering him one? Nor with Pogba who has no interest in signing a new deal and will walk for free? Sorry, I’m really confused. I think you can be annoyed at Lingard for not getting his agent to find a club for him to go to when, for all his public bollocks, I can only hope the manager made it clear about Lingard's role in the team from now on. If he is so concerned about playing time he should fuck off to a club at his level where he will play. You can also be disgusted at at the club for offering the contract but him turning one down after spending an entire transfer window doing fuck all, Lingard deserves annoyance.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 7, 2021 20:05:01 GMT
This little cunt just rejected a contract offer because he wants assurance of a starting role.... yea, we tried to give you that at another team. When exactly? Probably when we were trying to talk West Ham into signing him.
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Post by Stretty on Sept 7, 2021 20:05:28 GMT
When does his contract expire?
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Post by Stew on Sept 7, 2021 20:06:34 GMT
Probably when we were trying to talk West Ham into signing him. When they wouldn’t pay the fee we wanted?
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Post by Bestie on Sept 7, 2021 20:10:41 GMT
Probably when we were trying to talk West Ham into signing him. When they wouldn’t pay the fee we wanted? Irrelevant. If I was your employer and told you I was actively looking for a different company to ship you off to, it's crystal clear message.
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Post by Stew on Sept 7, 2021 21:19:13 GMT
When they wouldn’t pay the fee we wanted? Irrelevant. If I was your employer and told you I was actively looking for a different company to ship you off to, it's crystal clear message. We’re blaming Lingard because West Ham wouldn’t meet our 30 million asking fee? He should have agitated for a move in order for Utd to what, lower the fee? That doesn’t make any sense.
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Post by Karma on Sept 7, 2021 21:26:14 GMT
Nothing has been learned. A new contract for a player who performs better under other managers, hardly plays and is now in his last year and will go on a free.
Old Glazers meet new Glazers.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 7, 2021 23:04:09 GMT
Utterly embarrassing we offered a new deal to him.
For what? Because he's an important squad member? No he's not. And if he is, he bloody shouldn't be.
Because whilst he's not great he's all we have? No he's not. He plays as a 10 or out wide. So do Amad Diallo, Facundo Pellistri, Shola Shoretire, Anthony Elanga & Hannibal Mejbri. Give them the minutes and opportunities he would otherwise get. And that's just backups, not mentioning the 1st teamers.
To guarantee we get a transfer fee? How many times before we fucking learn?! Any club interested in him will walk away once they realise they have to pay 25M+ for him. And how absolutely shitty a thing it would be to get him to sign a contract, presumably by giving him guarantees about playing time, then immediately let it be known he can leave.
Him, Pogba, Cavani and Mata are all out of contract next summer. That's a lot of potential transfer fees down the drain, but don't worry about money you never had, worry about the money you've got. And at the moment those 4 are on a reported 40M a year, combined. Get them off the wage bill. *
* I realise that sounds harsh on Cavani who's done nothing but good things but he is one of the out of contract players and seems clear he'll be going back to South America next summer.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 8, 2021 0:17:41 GMT
Irrelevant. If I was your employer and told you I was actively looking for a different company to ship you off to, it's crystal clear message. We’re blaming Lingard because West Ham wouldn’t meet our 30 million asking fee? He should have agitated for a move in order for Utd to what, lower the fee? That doesn’t make any sense. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm blaming him for not getting his agent to find a club willing to pay the fee we wanted or at least enough to be acceptable. It was made perfectly clear he was not going to be first choice here.
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Post by redcase on Sept 8, 2021 4:45:40 GMT
Irrelevant. If I was your employer and told you I was actively looking for a different company to ship you off to, it's crystal clear message. We’re blaming Lingard because West Ham wouldn’t meet our 30 million asking fee? He should have agitated for a move in order for Utd to what, lower the fee? That doesn’t make any sense. West Ham though, what a right bunch of tossers. Spent 40 million on some random guy I've never heard of but wouldn't stump up for a guy who worked wonders for them in six months.
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Post by mightyez on Sept 8, 2021 5:15:00 GMT
A more pressing issue if true is why we told 6 premier league clubs lingard was not for sale when they made enquiries.
We wanted 30 million which I think is fair, but with 12 months left to run I would have taken 20 million with some add ons maybe.
Lastly to offer a new contract is an absolute joke but it’s only being done because they want to earn a buck for him via sale, to let him go on a free is as crazy as telling clubs he wasn’t for sale and offering him a new contract.
Mess all round, welcome to Manchester United!
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 8, 2021 6:19:04 GMT
Don't blame Lingard for this,the blame lays firmly at Woodward's door.
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Post by Karma on Sept 8, 2021 7:42:59 GMT
We’re blaming Lingard because West Ham wouldn’t meet our 30 million asking fee? He should have agitated for a move in order for Utd to what, lower the fee? That doesn’t make any sense. West Ham though, what a right bunch of tossers. Spent 40 million on some random guy I've never heard of but wouldn't stump up for a guy who worked wonders for them in six months. Sounds like something we’d do.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 8, 2021 8:40:57 GMT
Don't blame Lingard for this,the blame lays firmly at Woodward's door. It isn't.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 8, 2021 8:48:31 GMT
It is a ridiculous situation and we aren't fully aware of the facts but much of the blame has to lie on us.
We know Lingard wants regular gametime and we aren't in a position to offer it to him with Bruno ahead of him in the number 10 role and Sancho and Greenwood ahead of him on the RW. So we should be telling Lingard that if he wants to play he needs to find another club. There is some talk that Lingard told West Ham he wasn't interested because he wants to stay here and fight for a place in the team. We should have shattered any such illusions and told him he'll get 10-15 starts a season max which obviously won't be acceptable to him.
And if we are asking for £30m that is ridiculous given he is on high wages and has a year left on his contract. If we can get Varane for £40m or so it is crazy to expect much more than £20m for Lingard and I'm sure a deal could have been done with West Ham or some other potential suitor. West Ham made a low ball bid for Zouma as well but eventually found an acceptable compromise with Chelsea. And I am sure they would have done the same with us if Lingard had made it clear to them he wanted to join them and we'd made it clear we were willing to negotiate and sell at a reasonable price.
It would be exactly like Ole to give Lingard far more playing time than he deserves to try to get him to sign while Donny who stupidly signed a 6 year contract with us rots on the bench.
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