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Post by redcase on Jan 20, 2019 12:41:52 GMT
'Making up the numbers' and being a valuable squad player who you would be comfortable starting any game are not the same thing. We shouldn't be complacent. Lingard as a starter every week needs an upgrade. Every player, bar a GK, needs a competition from a "squad player" of high enough caliber. It's simply (and in our case outright impossible) to apply that to keepers when the no. 2 has to feed on crumbs. Jesse Lingard provides very good stats and so much more. As upgrades theses days are quoted at 80 million starting I'd look to invest in the squad elsewhere. For the life of me, I can't understand how people are content with Dalot starting at RB regularly next season when he has done absolutely fuck all to warrant that but Lingard's contribution is being questioned. He actually scored 4 goals in December. Instead of Chucking him on the bench I'd go for someone like Damaray Gray and let them fight for that spot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:51:56 GMT
Every player, bar a GK, needs a competition from a "squad player" of high enough caliber. It's simply (and in our case outright impossible) to apply that to keepers when the no. 2 has to feed on crumbs. Jesse Lingard provides very good stats and so much more. As upgrades theses days are quoted at 80 million starting I'd look to invest in the squad elsewhere. For the life of me, I can't understand how people are content with Dalot starting at RB regularly next season when he has done absolutely fuck all to warrant that but Lingard's contribution is being questioned. He actually scored 4 goals in December. Instead of Chucking him on the bench I'd go for someone like Damaray Gray and let them fight for that spot.
Perhaps it’s because his potential is blindingly obvious to anyone that’s watching Utd? That can only develop further barring injury? That he is regarded widely around Europe as an outstanding prospect? Nobody bar the oil doped sides have 2 players for every position, which is in effect what you’re suggesting. Barca don’t, Juve don’t, Real even don’t. Most teams have a core of around 8 or 9 starters who play nearly every game and a few positions that are rotated. Well, not entirely accurate. We have Ashley Young who could provide excellent cover at both sides of our defense. Lingard himself could play on the right or behind the striker. Rashford and Martial can play both up front and on the left. Some of these players mentioned can also sit on the bench for a few games without sending their agent to the press. What I am saying is that this should not be held against them in the sense that it's easier to bench them.
I am alright with hoping Dalot gets better, and letting him play in order to prove himself. I think it's only fair to treat Lingard similarly on the back of the best season in his career.
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Post by Stew on Jan 20, 2019 12:59:58 GMT
Perhaps it’s because his potential is blindingly obvious to anyone that’s watching Utd? That can only develop further barring injury? That he is regarded widely around Europe as an outstanding prospect? Nobody bar the oil doped sides have 2 players for every position, which is in effect what you’re suggesting. Barca don’t, Juve don’t, Real even don’t. Most teams have a core of around 8 or 9 starters who play nearly every game and a few positions that are rotated. Well, not entirely accurate. We have Ashley Young who could provide excellent cover at both sides of our defense. Lingard himself could play on the right or behind the striker. Rashford and Martial can play both up front and on the left. Some of these players mentioned can also sit on the bench for a few games without sending their agent to the press. What I am saying is that this should not be hold against them in the sense that it's easier to bench them. I am alright with hoping Dalot gets better, and letting him play in order to prove himself. I think it's only fair to treat Lingard similarly on the back of the best season in his career.
The major difference being one is 19 and the other is 26. I like Lingard, I think he’s a good player. But I think we could probably do better. That’s not saying we should jettison him, just a reality. When Fergie thought we could do better than Wes Brown in an attacking sense, he moved for Alves. We didn’t get him so O’Shea started to play RB regularly and had a fine season. But being honest, not as good a season as Alves had. I think Lingard is similar to big John. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 20, 2019 13:03:58 GMT
Can I point how that this is how RoM used to be when it came to arguing your corner. I might disagree with red pilgrim but he’s putting his point across well and in a reasoned manner. It’s refreshing from all sides. I think the upturn in Utd’s form in general has lead to a better spirit on the board so let’s tey to keep it that way!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 13:16:08 GMT
Well, not entirely accurate. We have Ashley Young who could provide excellent cover at both sides of our defense. Lingard himself could play on the right or behind the striker. Rashford and Martial can play both up front and on the left. Some of these players mentioned can also sit on the bench for a few games without sending their agent to the press. What I am saying is that this should not be hold against them in the sense that it's easier to bench them. I am alright with hoping Dalot gets better, and letting him play in order to prove himself. I think it's only fair to treat Lingard similarly on the back of the best season in his career.
The major difference being one is 19 and the other is 26. I like Lingard, I think he’s a good player. But I think we could probably do better. That’s not saying we should jettison him, just a reality. When Fergie thought we could do better than Wes Brown in an attacking sense, he moved for Alves. We didn’t get him so O’Shea started to play RB regularly and had a fine season. But being honest, not as good a season as Alves had. I think Lingard is similar to big John. Oh, those were the days with Wes Brown at RB. Winning the league and the CL. Never fix what isn't broken. Fergie did the same bringing in JSV. That never worked either.
Again, I'm not against the idea of playing Dalot at RB. I just don't understand the reasoning behind being content at this stage with having him as a regular starter next season based on what he has done here so far, his six first team appearances for Porto and his reputation at U-21 level. Valencia and Darmian are done here. Whenever Young makes a mistake his employment is being questioned. Are we really going to start next season with a 20 year old as the only natural right back?
And then there's Lingard who has delivered consistently against top opposition and in cup finals. I actually agree that he shouldn't start 60 games next season. I just don't get the obvious bias in the suggested treatment. We are discussing 2019-20 and not giving either a 10 year contract. Their respective ages are irrelevant in this regard in my opinion.
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Post by Stew on Jan 20, 2019 13:34:49 GMT
Dalot starts next year but keep Young for another year.
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Post by weetomsligaments on Jan 20, 2019 18:26:36 GMT
Dalot starts next year but keep Young for another year. Dalot reminds me of Valencia when first moved to RB. Fantastic going forward and a real liability on defense. It took Valencia a good season and a half before he started to defend properly. I hope it does not take Dalot that long. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 20, 2019 18:39:44 GMT
no issues with lingard starting if he does the job asked of him and contributes in that way.
if a better player comes along or ideally chong gets some mass and forces the issue then happy days as it would mean a better natural balance to that front line.
the level of upgrade i want on lingard needs to be dembele levels if not then just leave it alone i'd say and hope chong comes good
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 21:55:52 GMT
I love the manchild.
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Post by Karma on Jan 20, 2019 23:12:26 GMT
I mean, I would like to think I've been very much to the fore of the Lingard backers. Although, I'm not one to suck my own dick... I've always been happy to see him as a decent squad player but certainly not a guaranteed starter. However he's nailed on to start now. Rashford could certainly learn from him at the moment. I quite like the instagram and social media stuff as I do with Pogba too. Certainly never been a hater. But then I never have been with Fellani or Nani either. Maybe I like to back the wrong horse now and again? Sometimes it's good for them to prove people wrong? Now we just need to get Luke Shaw into the player he promised to be.. 12 months on. Nothing much new to report really! Quite funny the grief I saw aimed at Nani from all sorts of sources but we still haven't replaced him. I bit like how long it took to replace Keane when he was dumped too! I wonder whether that RW will be sorted before the CB position? |
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