Woodward Out? Oh yes!

[Karma]

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

I'll let you know when he appoints the next permanent manager and DOF.

[Bestie]

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

No.


He has known exactly what he's been doing. Bleeding us dry, making sure the cash flow out of the club never stops. Throwing enough money around at splashy transfers that drive internet clicks. Fool naive idiots into pointing at the 'amount of money Jose got' to argue Woodward and his masters are somehow not the real virus in the club.

[Karma]

Dec 20, 2018 10:25:10 GMT Bestie said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

No.


He has known exactly what he's been doing. Bleeding us dry, making sure the cash flow out of the club never stops. Throwing enough money around at splashy transfers that drive internet clicks. Fool naive idiots into pointing at the 'amount of money Jose got' to argue Woodward and his masters are somehow not the real virus in the club.

Yeah the "Well look how much he's spent "brigade are doing the Glazers PR for them.

That doesn't absolve Jose from his failings before the "Well you would say that "crew try to lynch me either.

[Bestie]

Dec 20, 2018 10:29:50 GMT Karma said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:25:10 GMT Bestie said:

No.


He has known exactly what he's been doing. Bleeding us dry, making sure the cash flow out of the club never stops. Throwing enough money around at splashy transfers that drive internet clicks. Fool naive idiots into pointing at the 'amount of money Jose got' to argue Woodward and his masters are somehow not the real virus in the club.

Yeah the "Well look how much he's spent "brigade are doing the Glazers PR for them.

That doesn't absolve Jose from his failings before the "Well you would say that "crew try to lynch me either.

The 'Look how much he's spent' brigade are mostly fucking morons.

[geo]

Dec 20, 2018 10:25:10 GMT Bestie said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

No.


He has known exactly what he's been doing. Bleeding us dry, making sure the cash flow out of the club never stops. Throwing enough money around at splashy transfers that drive internet clicks. Fool naive idiots into pointing at the 'amount of money Jose got' to argue Woodward and his masters are somehow not the real virus in the club.

Aw sucks, your love for the special one knows no bounds

[Bestie]

Dec 20, 2018 10:37:44 GMT geo said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:25:10 GMT Bestie said:

No.


He has known exactly what he's been doing. Bleeding us dry, making sure the cash flow out of the club never stops. Throwing enough money around at splashy transfers that drive internet clicks. Fool naive idiots into pointing at the 'amount of money Jose got' to argue Woodward and his masters are somehow not the real virus in the club.

Aw sucks, your love for the special one knows no bounds

I don't know if you're being sarcastic about Woodward aping the Special One thing or about Mourinho. Neither of which would be accurate.

[Karma]

Dec 20, 2018 10:41:37 GMT Bestie said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:37:44 GMT geo said:

Aw sucks, your love for the special one knows no bounds

I don't know if you're being sarcastic about Woodward aping the Special One thing or about Mourinho. Neither of which would be accurate.

He's just sore because we didn't contact Strachan.

[JamBritRed]

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

honestly, yes. i have thought about this being possible. and if he does learn and change all well and good.

but until those signs of improvement are evident i will proceed with the view that he is the worst Football Executive at an elite team in the 5 major leagues. his track record HAS proven that much if nothing else.

Ps. Marketing is not necessarily in a Football Executive's Performance Objectives from my point of view.

[geo]

Dec 20, 2018 17:13:26 GMT JamBritRed said:

Dec 20, 2018 10:22:06 GMT geo said:

I am no supporter of Woodward, in fact I have been very critical of him at times and he does have to be held largely accountable for the mess United have become.

BUT

Does anyone ever think that he himself has had a steep learning curve and is now recognising the error of his ways, and just maybe he may be better for it?

honestly, yes. i have thought about this being possible. and if he does learn and change all well and good.

but until those signs of improvement are evident i will proceed with the view that he is the worst Football Executive at an elite team in the 5 major leagues. his track record HAS proven that much if nothing else.

Ps. Marketing is not necessarily in a Football Executive's Performance Objectives from my point of view.

Honesty is refreshing, agreed he has a long way to go if he is to appease most.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Oli HOlt sticking the boot in on Woody:

www.dailymail.co.uk/textbased/sport/football/text-6523601/OLIVER-HOLT-Manchester-United-torched-stability-what.html

...So what does Woodward do now? Resign is the option that springs most readily to mind. Admit that while he may have been a brilliant commercial director, he sucks in this role. Quite how he's still in a job when he has driven United this far south is staggering, until you catch yourself and remember that the Glazers are still raking in the profits and that that is really all that matters to them and Woodward.

Woodward has, after all, presided over three disastrous appointments in David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho. He's the guy who bought all the most expensive players he could find and thought that would fix everything. He's the guy who thinks money buys you love in football. He's the guy who wears an expression of constant surprise that at United it hasn't.

Woodward is the man without a plan. There's no method in player recruitment at United. There's no consistency. Woodward's running round in a blindfold, trying to pin the tail on the donkey. He's a guy who is painfully out of his depths, a money-man who is being chewed up by the football world and spat out. He's the guy who buys a pound sign, not a player. He's the guy who buys a reputation, not a manager.

He's the guy who tried to copy Real Madrid's transfer policy and brought us Galacticos Minus. He's an overblown city boy who got the keys to the biggest club in the world and took them from title winners to also-rans - but the money keeps rolling in, so, frankly, who cares?

That's the most alarming thing for United fans. Deep down, they've always known it. They're stuck in the clutches of owners who are all about taking money out of the football club, not putting it in. The infrastructure of the club is frayed. Compared with other giants like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid, they look tired. They have been wallowing in complacency since Ferguson left.

Mourinho was only sacked once it became apparent United were going to struggle to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Think about that. United cared about fourth. Not first. That's the really sobering thing. At any other club of United's size, Mourinho would have been gone long ago - but United are different. The club are in a state of atrophy. United don't have an identity any more. Nobody can ever take away their glorious history but Woodward and the Glazers are stripping it of all its romance.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Daniel Taylor also had a say:

we can all probably imagine who Brian McClair was meaning when the former United player and coach wrote on Twitter that Mourinho was “not the only one who should depart”, adding three exclamation marks for effect.

What, after all, do Mourinho, Van Gaal and Moyes have in common from their spells at Old Trafford? None has a good word to say about Woodward.

Ferguson rarely sits beside Woodward and the Class of 92, who make it their business to know the inside track at Old Trafford, can be hugely dismissive, almost contemptuous, of the Glazer family’s first point of contact. Woodward should consider himself fortunate United’s owners make other matters a priority – the club’s financial results, to be specific – because if he was judged purely on the football operation then, yes, he would be lucky to keep his job.

[Bestie]

Dec 24, 2018 17:46:05 GMT ScholesEvilTwin said:

Oli HOlt sticking the boot in on Woody:

www.dailymail.co.uk/textbased/sport/football/text-6523601/OLIVER-HOLT-Manchester-United-torched-stability-what.html

...So what does Woodward do now? Resign is the option that springs most readily to mind. Admit that while he may have been a brilliant commercial director, he sucks in this role. Quite how he's still in a job when he has driven United this far south is staggering, until you catch yourself and remember that the Glazers are still raking in the profits and that that is really all that matters to them and Woodward.

Woodward has, after all, presided over three disastrous appointments in David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho. He's the guy who bought all the most expensive players he could find and thought that would fix everything. He's the guy who thinks money buys you love in football. He's the guy who wears an expression of constant surprise that at United it hasn't.

Woodward is the man without a plan. There's no method in player recruitment at United. There's no consistency. Woodward's running round in a blindfold, trying to pin the tail on the donkey. He's a guy who is painfully out of his depths, a money-man who is being chewed up by the football world and spat out. He's the guy who buys a pound sign, not a player. He's the guy who buys a reputation, not a manager.

He's the guy who tried to copy Real Madrid's transfer policy and brought us Galacticos Minus. He's an overblown city boy who got the keys to the biggest club in the world and took them from title winners to also-rans - but the money keeps rolling in, so, frankly, who cares?

That's the most alarming thing for United fans. Deep down, they've always known it. They're stuck in the clutches of owners who are all about taking money out of the football club, not putting it in. The infrastructure of the club is frayed. Compared with other giants like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid, they look tired. They have been wallowing in complacency since Ferguson left.

Mourinho was only sacked once it became apparent United were going to struggle to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Think about that. United cared about fourth. Not first. That's the really sobering thing. At any other club of United's size, Mourinho would have been gone long ago - but United are different. The club are in a state of atrophy. United don't have an identity any more. Nobody can ever take away their glorious history but Woodward and the Glazers are stripping it of all its romance.

I usually cannot stand Olly Holt. Bloody delighted to see him at it with this one.

[Karma]

Dec 24, 2018 17:46:05 GMT ScholesEvilTwin said:

Oli HOlt sticking the boot in on Woody:

www.dailymail.co.uk/textbased/sport/football/text-6523601/OLIVER-HOLT-Manchester-United-torched-stability-what.html

...So what does Woodward do now? Resign is the option that springs most readily to mind. Admit that while he may have been a brilliant commercial director, he sucks in this role. Quite how he's still in a job when he has driven United this far south is staggering, until you catch yourself and remember that the Glazers are still raking in the profits and that that is really all that matters to them and Woodward.

Woodward has, after all, presided over three disastrous appointments in David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho. He's the guy who bought all the most expensive players he could find and thought that would fix everything. He's the guy who thinks money buys you love in football. He's the guy who wears an expression of constant surprise that at United it hasn't.

Woodward is the man without a plan. There's no method in player recruitment at United. There's no consistency. Woodward's running round in a blindfold, trying to pin the tail on the donkey. He's a guy who is painfully out of his depths, a money-man who is being chewed up by the football world and spat out. He's the guy who buys a pound sign, not a player. He's the guy who buys a reputation, not a manager.

He's the guy who tried to copy Real Madrid's transfer policy and brought us Galacticos Minus. He's an overblown city boy who got the keys to the biggest club in the world and took them from title winners to also-rans - but the money keeps rolling in, so, frankly, who cares?

That's the most alarming thing for United fans. Deep down, they've always known it. They're stuck in the clutches of owners who are all about taking money out of the football club, not putting it in. The infrastructure of the club is frayed. Compared with other giants like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid, they look tired. They have been wallowing in complacency since Ferguson left.

Mourinho was only sacked once it became apparent United were going to struggle to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Think about that. United cared about fourth. Not first. That's the really sobering thing. At any other club of United's size, Mourinho would have been gone long ago - but United are different. The club are in a state of atrophy. United don't have an identity any more. Nobody can ever take away their glorious history but Woodward and the Glazers are stripping it of all its romance.

The only bit I disagree with is this idea that he's doing a good job on the commercial side.

Fergie left an institution. Any half competent CEO with the financial background  he has should and would have took advantage of that in a similar manner. 

One of the things that is easily forgotten is that the Glazers had to flog the brand to make money otherwise they would have had to continue with the no value in the market model imo.

It was borne out of necessity! 

The debt is still there. 400 million of it.

[ratbag]

The interesting thing for me is that these two pieces have come out together. It’s as if someone is pressing the button to start a campaign against Ed. Bloody hope so!

If it can get him out of the football side of things then we may actually have a chance going forward...

[Stew]

I know he wasn’t directly responsible for the team not bothering to show up last night but the fact is that now, barring a complete miracle, we are about to have our 4th trophyless season in 6 since this goon took over. It’s a probably waste of time to even talk about how he’d have been fired or worse at any of the other major clubs but it’s bordering on scandalous that someone so inherently awful at what should constitute the main part of is job is allowed to carry on regardless of results. Unless they’re to do with money unfortunately.

Infuriating. And probably hopeless.