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Post by Kojak on Mar 24, 2022 16:55:27 GMT
Every fucker is a children’s author now. Lampard, Walliams, Baddiel, one of the little winnets from McFly. Why does Rashford putting a book out affect his ability to play football? The fact he’s been shite for ages has nowt to do with him writing something for kids. As an aside, Walliams’ books are fantastic for kids. Stew, I like and respect you, but I hate Walliams too much to accept that this is true. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 24, 2022 17:00:06 GMT
As an aside, Walliams’ books are fantastic for kids. Stew, I like and respect you, but I hate Walliams too much to accept that this is true. I can take or leave the guy, but honestly, the books are really good. An heir to Dahl! |
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Post by Kojak on Mar 24, 2022 17:15:59 GMT
Stew, I like and respect you, but I hate Walliams too much to accept that this is true. I can take or leave the guy, but honestly, the books are really good. An heir to Dahl! Blasphemy! |
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Post by Monty on Mar 24, 2022 18:33:26 GMT
I watched a couple of episodes of Little Britain recently. Holy cow, it's aged badly. I was never the biggest fan of it even during its peak, but now I just find it embarrassing.
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Post by Stretty on Mar 24, 2022 18:45:08 GMT
I watched a couple of episodes of Little Britain recently. Holy cow, it's aged badly. I was never the biggest fan of it even during its peak, but now I just find it embarrassing. Back in the day it was ok and nothing more(most of the sketches where just repeated with just slightly different scenarios). Comedy in general has been on a downward spiral for years as nobody can be offended anymore. just look at the sketch shows and sitcoms from the 70s through around the late 90s and compare it with the last 15 years or so. |
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Post by Bestie on May 7, 2023 22:29:36 GMT
Won't be popular but read all of it.
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 0:20:01 GMT
Won't be popular but read all of it. Our fans have their heads buried in the sand unfortunately. |
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Post by dazjoe on May 8, 2023 1:43:26 GMT
It's not about having heads in the sand but recognising other players that need a more urgent upgrade.
Say Rashford is sold and replaced by Osimhen. Great, he's a world class player. But the problem of relying on one player to score all the goals is still there, the problem of having a player need to play 60+ games a season because we can't give him a rest is still there. Osimhen gets injured, who's in? Martial. Brilliant. Who is the option on the left if Garnacho is out? Sancho. Brilliant.
You don't improve your team by getting rid of your highest performers, regardless of whether you think they aren't actually all that, and keeping the absolute dross as reserve. You get rid of the dross, and make the current highest performers the back up's. Say those two leave, along with Elanga. That's maybe 80M in the door, and that goes towards getting Osimhen in. That's a proper improvement. He starts up front, Rashford and Garnacho can compete on the left. At least you know you're getting 20+ goals from Rashford, seeing as he's delivered that in 3 of the last 4 seasons.
It's like deciding we need a new starting centre back due to Varane's injury record and deciding to get rid of him, but keeping Maguire as back up. That's backwards as all hell. Make Varane the back up and get bloody shot of Maguire.
Is Antony the answer on the right? Honestly I'm on the fence. But if you sign a new quality right sided attacker you keep Antony as his competition, you don't make Elanga the back up.
I don't think anyone on this board thinks Rashford is a world beater but he's the least of our worries. If your doctor tells you you have brain cancer and an ingrowing toe nail on the same day, you don't tell them to focus on getting this toe nail sorted. It's an annoyance that'll have to be sorted eventually, but maybe the brain cancer takes precedence!
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 6:15:43 GMT
I'm with Daz, nobody on here is saying Rashford falls within the top 3 players in the World bracket.
That said, he's performed really well and has been, at least, part of the top 3 performers at United this season. By some distance.
Added to that, he's been at the club for almost his entire career, 18 years - this last part is what grinds my gears, why are some parts of our fanbase so toxic towards our youth products?
You don't need to be interstellar quality to be appreciated. Take away his goal contributions this year, where do we finish?
If he was at Arsenal you'd never hear the end of it. It's something I've noticed for years, some of our best players always seem to garner insane abuse - but we didn't even spend a huge fee to sign Rashford.
He's 25, and likely still has a higher ceiling to go considering how many players only peak at 28+. In fact, with a little more quality around him + more support (less over-reliance) up front I think it's very likely.
May well break some big records at United still, fancy some might have some crustified egg on face in a few years.
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 6:22:07 GMT
I'm with Daz, nobody on here is saying Rashford falls within the top 3 players in the World bracket. That said, he's performed really well and has been, at least, part of the top 3 performers at United this season. By some distance. Added to that, he's been at the club for almost his entire career, 18 years - this last part is what grinds my gears, why are some parts of our fanbase so toxic towards our youth products? You don't need to be interstellar quality to be appreciated. Take away his goal contributions this year, where do we finish? If he was at Arsenal you'd never hear the end of it. He's 25, and likely still has a higher ceiling to go considering how many players only peak at 28+. In fact, with a little more quality around him + more support (less over-reliance) up front I think it's very likely. We simply have the worst fanbase on social media for going in on our own players, no other fanbase does it. It's full of agenda's and moving goalpost narratives. Some people are desperate for certain players/ managers to fail because they thrive off the negativity. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 6:30:50 GMT
We simply have the worst fanbase on social media for going in on our own players, no other fanbase does it. It's full of agenda's and moving goalpost narratives. Some people are desperate for certain players/ managers to fail because they thrive off the negativity. Took me more than a decade of the internet/social media age to see this, some foreign players effectively get unofficial fan-clubs with endless patience + defence of horrible performances (e.g. Martial) whilst players that come through the "fabled" academy (an essence of the club - no transfer fees, either) are held to ethereal standards and blasted as overrated/shit by our own fanbase if they don't consistently meet those standards. |
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Post by dazjoe on May 8, 2023 6:33:57 GMT
He's overtaken Cole's United record too, 122 goals to 121. Admittedly Cole took fewer games, but he was also, what, 24 when he signed for United and stayed till he was 31? So had all his best, peak years here, whereas Rashford's early seasons were as an 17, 18 & 19 year old.
Cole's goal per games ratio during his best 3 seasons? 1 in 1.97 games. Rashfords? 1 in 2.14 games.
Cole was also an out and out number 9 whereas Rashford is more a wide player.
And Cole never once managed 29 goals in a season for United. Despite playing with Giggs, not Sancho. Scholes not Fred. Cantona not Martial. Keane not McTominay. Sheringham not Weghorst. Beckham not Sanchez.
Yet Cole is a club legend and the other over-rated and should be moved on asap?
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 6:36:02 GMT
He's overtaken Cole's United record too, 122 goals to 121. Admittedly Cole took fewer games, but he was also, what, 24 when he signed for United and stayed till he was 31? So had all his best, peak years here, whereas Rashford's early seasons were as an 17, 18 & 19 year old. Cole's goal per games ratio during his best 3 seasons? 1 in 1.97 games. Rashfords? 1 in 2.14 games. Cole was also an out and out number 9 whereas Rashford is more a wide player. And Cole never once managed 29 goals in a season for United. Despite playing with Giggs, not Sancho. Scholes not Fred. Cantona not Martial. Keane not McTominay. Sheringham not Weghorst. Yet Cole is a club legend and the other over-rated and should be moved on asap? Excellent point well made - especially the bit about the supporting cast. |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 6:36:36 GMT
We simply have the worst fanbase on social media for going in on our own players, no other fanbase does it. It's full of agenda's and moving goalpost narratives. Some people are desperate for certain players/ managers to fail because they thrive off the negativity. Took me more than a decade of the internet/social media age to see this, some foreign players effectively get unofficial fan-clubs with endless patience + defence of horrible performances (e.g. Martial) whilst players that come through the "fabled" academy (an essence of the club - no transfer fees, either) are held to ethereal standards and blasted as overrated/shit by our own fanbase if they don't consistently meet those standards. No player is above criticism and if they're poor then it's deserved but seeing some of the shite and needless abuse on there is just embarrassing. There are usually obvious tells nowadays with these accounts, the main culprits seem to have Pogba or Martial avi's. To call a player that is the 3rd highest goalscorer in Europe "over rated" is just ridiculous. Has he had poor games this season? Of course he has but some of the shit you see is just unjustified. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 6:43:10 GMT
Exactly, if they have a bad performance - fair enough, we're entitled to call it out and criticize our players.
It doesn't mean that every bad performance serves as proof of some divine determination that said player is shit, should be sold, or isn't good enough to wear the shirt.
There's often no middleground, for some reason.
Case in point being a thread like the one above (e.g.) - immediately after a bad result, here's a United-aligned twitter "fan" creating a thread specifically trying to demerit one of our best players this season. What exactly is the point, what's the end-game here?
It often feels like we're through the looking glass, and even in places where we're unashamedly looking to surround ourselves with partisan pro-United sentiment (RoM) this type of stuff is ever-present.
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