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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 10:08:10 GMT
Cherry picked stats.  i.e. Every stat except goals? Always an excuse, 'those are cherry picked stats', 'it's an agenda'. It was a bloody purple patch and a bloody good one. But continuing to claim it was anything otherwise is the idiotic agenda. It's become a pointless argument anyway. You clearly dont like the guy. I'll continue to see the good and the not so good and judge it accordingly. Cba going around in circles. Yep, it's all a personal agenda isn't it. Circles is correct.  |
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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 10:10:51 GMT
I think we have bigger fish to fry than Rashford Bestie. MCT, Fred, Maguire, Jones, donny, martial, Elanga, Sancho. Much bigger concerns there and they need addressing before we even glance in Rashford’s direction He's in the same pan as the rest of the serial loser, flatter to deceive, wasters. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 10:12:26 GMT
Still missing the point - is Harry Kane a terrible player because he's played at Spurs, at a club and surrounded by players that did not win trophies?
There are so many examples like this, but the logic remains sound - why is Rashford's quality determined by how many trophies the team (10 other players) have been able to win during that time?
Even though it's been a barren spell for the club, he's still won the FA Cup, 2x League Cups + the Europa league.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 10:13:38 GMT
Feels like I'm arguing with someone on RAWK, haha.
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 10:22:19 GMT
Still missing the point - is Harry Kane a terrible player because he's played at Spurs, at a club and surrounded by players that did not win trophies? There are so many examples like this, but the logic remains sound - why is Rashford's quality determined by how many trophies the team (10 other players) have been able to win during that time? Even though it's been a barren spell for the club, he's still won the FA Cup, 2x League Cups + the Europa league. Measuring an attacking player on goal contributions...how silly 😏. |
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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 10:23:10 GMT
Still missing the point - is Harry Kane a terrible player because he's played at Spurs, at a club and surrounded by players that did not win trophies? There are so many examples like this, but the logic remains sound - why is Rashford's quality determined by how many trophies the team (10 other players) have been able to win during that time? Even though it's been a barren spell for the club, he's still won the FA Cup, 2x League Cups + the Europa league. Kane is a poor example to use. He isn't a terrible player but he also isn't very good. I am saying that Rashford looks good in a bad team. He doesn't make us a better one. The lack of trophies is indicative if that. |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 10:23:20 GMT
It's become a pointless argument anyway. You clearly dont like the guy. I'll continue to see the good and the not so good and judge it accordingly. Cba going around in circles. Yep, it's all a personal agenda isn't it. Circles is correct. You said it not me. |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2023 10:26:09 GMT
The rest of the players that surrounded Cole, like Keane + Cantona + Scholes + Giggs, didn't contribute to sides that were able to win trophies? That was the point here, Rashford is surrounded by dross in quite a few positions and he's measured by his inability to win us trophies. Insane double standards. Of course they did. The point is Cole would not be considered as much of a club legend if he had scored goals but we had been a perennial almost-was team. If you didn’t have testicles you’d be a woman. Stop making silly ifs and buts and answer the man. Are Cole and Rashford part of the same team of others around him, same manager and even the same ownership? |
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Post by dazjoe on May 8, 2023 10:27:57 GMT
The rest of the players that surrounded Cole, like Keane + Cantona + Scholes + Giggs, didn't contribute to sides that were able to win trophies? That was the point here, Rashford is surrounded by dross in quite a few positions and he's measured by his inability to win us trophies. Insane double standards. Of course they did. The point is Cole would not be considered as much of a club legend if he had scored goals but we had been a perennial almost-was team. Trophies matter, of course they do. But Rashford has won as much (2 league cups, 1 FA cup, 1 Europa League) in his first 8 years as Robson did in his first 10 (3 FA cups, 1 Cup Winners Cup). No one made out Robson was any kind of a lesser player because he'd never contributed to a title, instead they lauded how much he'd carried a weaker team. Indeed, he never led the team to a title, he played bit parts in the 2 he finally won. Yet any one who watched Robson holds him in at least equal esteem to Keane, who absolutely drove United to titles. I get it's not an ideal comparison but trophies aren't the be all and end all when it comes to determining if someone's a good player or not. |
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 10:28:02 GMT
Cole was a striker.
We don’t have one of those at Manchester United.
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 10:28:39 GMT
Still missing the point - is Harry Kane a terrible player because he's played at Spurs, at a club and surrounded by players that did not win trophies? There are so many examples like this, but the logic remains sound - why is Rashford's quality determined by how many trophies the team (10 other players) have been able to win during that time? Even though it's been a barren spell for the club, he's still won the FA Cup, 2x League Cups + the Europa league. Kane is a poor example to use. He isn't a terrible player but he also isn't very good.I am saying that Rashford looks good in a bad team. He doesn't make us a better one. The lack of trophies is indicative if that. Isn’t very good 😂😂. He's 52 goals away from being the Premier leagues all time goalscorer and will probably do it in a lot less games. He'd have probably already beaten it as had he joined a bigger club. He hasn't done this by being an average player. |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2023 10:34:11 GMT
Cole was a striker. We don’t have one of those at Manchester United. What the fuck does that have to do with Rashford? Does he sign the fucking cheques too? Who said Rashford is a CF? Not a single fucking person has argued Rashford is a CF. He’s a left winger and every even headed person with a pulse has said so. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 8, 2023 10:40:33 GMT
If Kane is a poor example to use (based on what criteria), then what about Shearer?
No doubt he'd have won a load of trophies had he moved elsewhere, and although he is (rightfully) laughed at by United fans for rejecting a move to the club it can't be said he wasn't a great player.
He won literally one trophy in a 19-year top flight career, but he's the all-time PL top scorer. He did this surrounded by mostly lesser players, too.
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Post by mightyez on May 8, 2023 10:43:53 GMT
I think we have bigger fish to fry than Rashford Bestie. MCT, Fred, Maguire, Jones, donny, martial, Elanga, Sancho. Much bigger concerns there and they need addressing before we even glance in Rashford’s direction He's in the same pan as the rest of the serial loser, flatter to deceive, wasters. IF you put him in the boat as that mob it really comes across personal He is no way in their boat |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 10:47:53 GMT
Cole was a striker. We don’t have one of those at Manchester United. What the fuck does that have to do with Rashford? Does he sign the fucking cheques too? Who said Rashford is a CF? Not a single fucking person has argued Rashford is a CF. He’s a left winger and every even headed person with a pulse has said so. 1 more goal and he'll be the first player since Robin van Persie to hit 30 in a single season...10 years ago. Not bad for a player that isn't a natural striker. |
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i.e. Every stat except goals? Always an excuse, 'those are cherry picked stats', 'it's an agenda'.
