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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 11:13:12 GMT
Cole was a striker. We don’t have one of those at Manchester United. What the fuck does that have to do with Rashford? Does he sign the fucking cheques too? Who said Rashford is a CF? Not a single fucking person has argued Rashford is a CF. He’s a left winger and every even headed person with a pulse has said so. The point is he’s our main forward and he’s not even a fucking striker. He’s been elevated beyond his capabilities because of that. Same kind of mentality was gassing up Greenwood, Sancho before they’d even delivered. Martial fans to a lesser extent. Yet here we are less goals scored than Leicester and Newcastle. |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2023 11:16:27 GMT
What the fuck does that have to do with Rashford? Does he sign the fucking cheques too? Who said Rashford is a CF? Not a single fucking person has argued Rashford is a CF. He’s a left winger and every even headed person with a pulse has said so. The point is he’s our main forward and he’s not even a fucking striker. He’s been elevated beyond his capabilities because of that. Same kind of mentality was gassing up Greenwood, Sancho before they’d even delivered. Martial fans to a lesser extent. Yet here we are less goals scored than Leicester and Newcastle. Is any of this Rashford's fault? |
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
The point is he’s our main forward and he’s not even a fucking striker. He’s been elevated beyond his capabilities because of that. Same kind of mentality was gassing up Greenwood, Sancho before they’d even delivered. Martial fans to a lesser extent. Yet here we are less goals scored than Leicester and Newcastle. Is any of this Rashford's fault? Do you disagree with what I said though? 🧐 |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2023 11:28:31 GMT
Is any of this Rashford's fault? Do you disagree with what I said though? 🧐 It's pointless what you said. We're discussing for a page and then some about Rashford and what he brings to this team, his career so far etc. Your comments belong in Glazernomics thread or another. It's no secret this team is shit. It's no secret we don't have a striker. I just don't understand why you're saying it here in this thread. |
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 11:39:13 GMT
Do you disagree with what I said though? 🧐 It's pointless what you said. We're discussing for a page and then some about Rashford and what he brings to this team, his career so far etc. Your comments belong in Glazernomics thread or another. It's no secret this team is shit. It's no secret we don't have a striker. I just don't understand why you're saying it here in this thread. No Glazer reference made. In the right thread. |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
It's pointless what you said. We're discussing for a page and then some about Rashford and what he brings to this team, his career so far etc. Your comments belong in Glazernomics thread or another. It's no secret this team is shit. It's no secret we don't have a striker. I just don't understand why you're saying it here in this thread. No Glazer reference made. In the right thread. For the second time today - What are you on about man?! Each and every fucking thing you mentioned is a Glazer thing. Not having a striker, him being shunted into that role in spite of not being suited for it. I don't even know why you threw Martial, Sancho, Leicester and Newcastle into the mix. You're going about it in swings and roundabouts but not a single jot of what you're saying is related to Rashford. |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2023 12:04:05 GMT
What the fuck does that have to do with Rashford? Does he sign the fucking cheques too? Who said Rashford is a CF? Not a single fucking person has argued Rashford is a CF. He’s a left winger and every even headed person with a pulse has said so. The point is he’s our main forward and he’s not even a fucking striker. He’s been elevated beyond his capabilities because of that. Same kind of mentality was gassing up Greenwood, Sancho before they’d even delivered. Martial fans to a lesser extent. Yet here we are less goals scored than Leicester and Newcastle. 1. The fact he's isn't a striker and has outscored every striker in Europe bar 2 this season goes in his favour. 2. The mentality of gassing players before they've delivered is exactly why he is being gassed this season because HE IS DELIVERING. 3. The amount of goals another club scores has nothing to do with one individual. You can't rely on one player to do the job for everyone else so I fail to see what that has to do with Rashford. Swear down people would think Rashford was performing worse than he was last year. |
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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 13:37:56 GMT
Of course they did. The point is Cole would not be considered as much of a club legend if he had scored goals but we had been a perennial almost-was team. Trophies matter, of course they do. But Rashford has won as much (2 league cups, 1 FA cup, 1 Europa League) in his first 8 years as Robson did in his first 10 (3 FA cups, 1 Cup Winners Cup). No one made out Robson was any kind of a lesser player because he'd never contributed to a title, instead they lauded how much he'd carried a weaker team. Indeed, he never led the team to a title, he played bit parts in the 2 he finally won. Yet any one who watched Robson holds him in at least equal esteem to Keane, who absolutely drove United to titles. I get it's not an ideal comparison but trophies aren't the be all and end all when it comes to determining if someone's a good player or not. Which is why I am not arguing that it is. Rashford is not as good as his hype regardless of trophies. My point about trophies is in part I/we would probably view Rashford much differently if he had been contributing to title wins and European Cup runs. The other part is that yes for all the hype Rashford is given I expect much greater contributions to bringing the club success. Comparisons to past players is a bit redundant in my eyes because we have to go with what we can see right now, but I'll do it if it is raised. Seeing Robson in the same discussion as Rashford makes me grimace though. |
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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 13:40:56 GMT
He's in the same pan as the rest of the serial loser, flatter to deceive, wasters. IF you put him in the boat as that mob it really comes across personal He is no way in their boat Why though? They aren't good enough for this club, Rashford is not good enough for this club. Why is that personal? |
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2023 14:02:09 GMT
In a team competing for the main trophies our forwards don’t cut it.
That’s includes Rashford.
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Post by mightyez on May 8, 2023 15:05:58 GMT
IF you put him in the boat as that mob it really comes across personal He is no way in their boat Why though? They aren't good enough for this club, Rashford is not good enough for this club. Why is that personal? You cannot put him in the same boat as the other players i mentioned. You definitely know that, those names mentioned genuinely offer nothing, rashford as we have seen this season offers something. Are there better than him? Yes. Are we going to try spending in the position he plays in? No and rightly so unless he is not extending his contract and we sell him. When you put him in the same boat as the others it comes across as lacking objection and tbf from your posts you come across as objective. That could then lead one to think it’s something personal if you get what I mean |
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Post by Bestie on May 8, 2023 16:36:16 GMT
Why though? They aren't good enough for this club, Rashford is not good enough for this club. Why is that personal? You cannot put him in the same boat as the other players i mentioned. You definitely know that, those names mentioned genuinely offer nothing, rashford as we have seen this season offers something. Are there better than him? Yes. Are we going to try spending in the position he plays in? No and rightly so unless he is not extending his contract and we sell him. When you put him in the same boat as the others it comes across as lacking objection and tbf from your posts you come across as objective. That could then lead one to think it’s something personal if you get what I mean I do understand where your coming from with that in fairness. Rashford is not as detrimental as that lot, so putting them all in the same bracket might seem overly harsh. The truth of it is I am so thoroughly fed up with everything that is wrong at the club I do tend to work in 'Want them here' and 'Get rid so I don't have to suffer them anymore' binary. 😭 Rashford would probably have a place in a successful squad. However I think it is unlikely he would accept that role given the previous hype and leeway he has been afforded. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 8, 2023 17:37:20 GMT
I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on Rashford ad infinitum, Bestie, I feel like it's pointless at this stage - but comparing the detriment Maguire brings to the team to Rashford's contribution is pretty far out! Not on here anymore, but in wider online/media the levels of excuse-finding and protectionism for Maguire is similar to the levels of 'it's an agenda' you get when criticising Rashford. Maguire’s “protectionism”is on another level entirely. He REALLY is shite, Rashford isn’t even close. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 8, 2023 17:38:57 GMT
Cole was a striker. We don’t have one of those at Manchester United. EXACTLY!!!! |
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 8, 2023 17:43:27 GMT
The point is he’s our main forward and he’s not even a fucking striker. He’s been elevated beyond his capabilities because of that. Same kind of mentality was gassing up Greenwood, Sancho before they’d even delivered. Martial fans to a lesser extent. Yet here we are less goals scored than Leicester and Newcastle. 1. The fact he's isn't a striker and has outscored every striker in Europe bar 2 this season goes in his favour. 2. The mentality of gassing players before they've delivered is exactly why he is being gassed this season because HE IS DELIVERING. 3. The amount of goals another club scores has nothing to do with one individual. You can't rely on one player to do the job for everyone else so I fail to see what that has to do with Rashford. Swear down people would think Rashford was performing worse than he was last year. I think has been the outstanding player this season ,and although that’s not a particularly high bar currently it is what it is. Not sure he can do much more that’s been asked of him really. |
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