Post by clueless1 on May 25, 2016 7:57:57 GMT
Heung-Min Son is on his way out of Spurs
The chinese are going to be offering aren't they. Hopefully he stays in Europe though despite the absurd money on offer, he is young still after all. He should go back to Germany actually, would make a good replacement for Sane.
Seems like a lot of expansion/2nd division/pro-rel talk in Australia recently. And when theirs smoke theirs fire. SST apparently said there could be a 2nd division in the works, hopefully its true
Now SST are known usually for being full of shit but it is about damn time, though i doubt we get pro/rel in 6 years, thats 2022/23, we aren't getting it till at least 2030 i think. Think the 2nd division needs to be viable and running for as long as the a-league now before that happens (so over 10 years).
12 teams is easy enough, but will go with 8 (same as the start of the a-league) to be conservative:
1. Brisbane Strikers (logical bid, alternate to the roar, upgrade of Perry Park would be nice also to around 15-20k)
2. Ipswich Team (can test if they could go up into the a-league, one of the fastest growing regions in the country)
3. Gold Coast City
4. Sutherland Sharks (talks about an a-league bid but I'd go with Wollongong over Sharks due to history and population base)
5. South West Sydney Bid (Campbelltown definitely)
6. South Melbourne (could easily manage this, honestly them and ipswich could be teams 13 and 14 in the league)
7. Geelong Bid (they are keen for football it seems, population is big enough to support a 2nd division)
8. Hobart Bid (Big enough for a 2nd division team, not sure if they could get the money to support an a-league team).
Then afterwards:
Eastern Melbourne Bid (Somewhere around Frankston or Dandenong)
North Queensland (they deserve something, should be seperate from the fury who are a mess, maybe FNQ who are well run)
North Sydney Spirit (playing out of North Sydney Oval, basically keeps the mariners on the central coast)
Northern Melbourne Bid (Melbourne Knights, they could do it, would hope they could raise enough money to get more seats though)
Adelaide City (Alternate Adelaide team)
2nd Perth (Joondalup, Mandurah, Bunbury, rockingham, basically a Satelite town of Perth with a growing population centre to distinguish itself from Perth Glory, would be on the same premise as the ipswich bid)
With Wollongong Wolves and Canberra United in the a-league come the next TV deal (i am sure they'd want more games per week on tv)
anyway 1.5 million cap, 2 marquee's etc. A-League only had 1 marquee in season 1 and honestly would do that here and lets say 3 foreign players (since the name of the game is about developing aussie talent)
also
West Coast gets spurned for now, actually wouldn't include Adelaide City yet purely because of travel (Hobart gets in because Tasmania doesn't have a pro team, thats an opportunity)
The chinese are going to be offering aren't they. Hopefully he stays in Europe though despite the absurd money on offer, he is young still after all. He should go back to Germany actually, would make a good replacement for Sane.
Seems like a lot of expansion/2nd division/pro-rel talk in Australia recently. And when theirs smoke theirs fire. SST apparently said there could be a 2nd division in the works, hopefully its true
People broke news today Bleague starting with China backing. Stay tuned big news to rock.A league promotion.relegation coming
12 new teams 2 marquee.1.5 million salary cap more news coming
EXCLUSIVE: Some big football figures involved in the process of getting a 'B-League' competition set up for eventual promotion and relegation in Australia.
Plan includes:
1st year - advertising for B-League licence.
2nd year - finalise/confirm B-League licences.
3rd-5th year - establish league and develop players (no promotion/relegation).
6th or 7th year - commence promotion/relegation #SST #ProRelforAUS
12 new teams 2 marquee.1.5 million salary cap more news coming
EXCLUSIVE: Some big football figures involved in the process of getting a 'B-League' competition set up for eventual promotion and relegation in Australia.
Plan includes:
1st year - advertising for B-League licence.
2nd year - finalise/confirm B-League licences.
3rd-5th year - establish league and develop players (no promotion/relegation).
6th or 7th year - commence promotion/relegation #SST #ProRelforAUS
Now SST are known usually for being full of shit but it is about damn time, though i doubt we get pro/rel in 6 years, thats 2022/23, we aren't getting it till at least 2030 i think. Think the 2nd division needs to be viable and running for as long as the a-league now before that happens (so over 10 years).
12 teams is easy enough, but will go with 8 (same as the start of the a-league) to be conservative:
1. Brisbane Strikers (logical bid, alternate to the roar, upgrade of Perry Park would be nice also to around 15-20k)
2. Ipswich Team (can test if they could go up into the a-league, one of the fastest growing regions in the country)
3. Gold Coast City
4. Sutherland Sharks (talks about an a-league bid but I'd go with Wollongong over Sharks due to history and population base)
5. South West Sydney Bid (Campbelltown definitely)
6. South Melbourne (could easily manage this, honestly them and ipswich could be teams 13 and 14 in the league)
7. Geelong Bid (they are keen for football it seems, population is big enough to support a 2nd division)
8. Hobart Bid (Big enough for a 2nd division team, not sure if they could get the money to support an a-league team).
Then afterwards:
Eastern Melbourne Bid (Somewhere around Frankston or Dandenong)
North Queensland (they deserve something, should be seperate from the fury who are a mess, maybe FNQ who are well run)
North Sydney Spirit (playing out of North Sydney Oval, basically keeps the mariners on the central coast)
Northern Melbourne Bid (Melbourne Knights, they could do it, would hope they could raise enough money to get more seats though)
Adelaide City (Alternate Adelaide team)
2nd Perth (Joondalup, Mandurah, Bunbury, rockingham, basically a Satelite town of Perth with a growing population centre to distinguish itself from Perth Glory, would be on the same premise as the ipswich bid)
With Wollongong Wolves and Canberra United in the a-league come the next TV deal (i am sure they'd want more games per week on tv)
anyway 1.5 million cap, 2 marquee's etc. A-League only had 1 marquee in season 1 and honestly would do that here and lets say 3 foreign players (since the name of the game is about developing aussie talent)
also
Don't wait for the FFA: Promotion and relegation is in our hands
Like most of you, I’ve been around Australian football long enough to know the epic list of annual debates. Most fade as quickly as they rise but the issue of promotion and relegation is the one that isn’t dying.
By Sebastian Hassett
24 May 2016 - 9:39 AM UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
Football Federation Australia are worried because they think a reasoned debate – one supported by facts and stats, not emotion and nostalgia – is not being tabled.
I’ll clear one thing up straight away: Whitlam Square isn’t inherently anti promotion and relegation. Steven Lowy’s recent comments prove that. FFA are just desperate for the A-League to work first. Fair enough.
They’re also worried that the A-League owners consider their multi-year licences a legally-binding right to play in the elite league.
Yet I’m willing to gamble that these are businessmen who know a good bet when they see one. If football takes off in Australia, they have more to gain than anyone. Way more.
So the time has come to put options on the table regarding a second division. Real options. Ones that are inclusive, intelligent and, above all, viable.
Viable enough that no club goes broke in this second tier. Ambitious enough that every club commits to an agreed set of minimum standards.
Prove it works, over a few years, and then can we talk about promotion and relegation. But if it proves beyond the collective capabilities, the deal is off.
Australian football should be looking at a national second division in the next three years. Such is the debate, that will look like three years too late or 30 years too early. C'est la vie.
But putting it off any longer and the game risks falling into the NRL and AFL trap: the top league becomes simply too strong to be linked to those below it.
Just don’t expect the FFA to come to the party on this one. Nor do they necessarily have to. Not yet. A compelling, irresistible case must be created first.
Their focus is on creating a money-making elite – Socceroos, Matildas, A-League – and hoping that inspires a generation to take the game on, with TV networks paying big dollars, thus infusing the game with money to spend and heroes to worship.
That’s fine, but if the rest of the sport waits for a master plan that sees their ambitions fulfilled, good luck. Likewise, throwing an entitlement tantrum will be seen as pedantic.
Football Federation Australia chairman Steven Lowy said the A-League needs to focus more on sustainability rather than spreading their wings through expansion.
So the call to arms has to go out. A second division needs creating but it requires something that hasn’t happened yet: the interested parties must come together and work as one.
It’s time the likes of South Melbourne, Adelaide City, Brisbane Strikers, Sydney Olympic and any other forward-thinking clubs – perhaps the Sutherland Sharks – got together and formed a collective plan.
It’s time those clubs reached out to the markets the A-League hasn’t quite reached: Canberra, Geelong and Wollongong, and those it forgot, Gold Coast and Townsville, as obvious starting points.
Those regions know the A-League ship has sailed. David Gallop is determined to “fish where the fish are”, so their only hope, for now, is to dig in for the next division.
Indeed, A-League 2 would become the testing ground for Australian football. For new clubs and regions; for hungry young players and ambitious coaches.
Imagine the sight of all these teams coming together for the launch party – just like the A-League in Darling Harbour in 2004 – and tell me that doesn’t make your juices flow.
If it sounds ambitious, that’s because it is. But the A-League was ambitious. So was the FFA Cup. Doomsayers tried to kill them both. Look at them now.
For mine, Professional Footballers Australia loom as the ideal party to help facilitate everyone coming together; it was indeed their modelling that gave birth to the A-League.
Over a decade on, they remain the only industry body who could probably execute the vision for a second tier. It’s also in their interests – a rush of new members – to find the right model.
Tempting though it is to lump the responsibility on the FFA, it’s time the football community – particularly those ambitious clubs – began driving this one from the ground up.
The opportunity is there but the clock is ticking. A-League 2 is waiting.
theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/05/24/dont-wait-ffa-promotion-and-relegation-our-hands
Like most of you, I’ve been around Australian football long enough to know the epic list of annual debates. Most fade as quickly as they rise but the issue of promotion and relegation is the one that isn’t dying.
By Sebastian Hassett
24 May 2016 - 9:39 AM UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
Football Federation Australia are worried because they think a reasoned debate – one supported by facts and stats, not emotion and nostalgia – is not being tabled.
I’ll clear one thing up straight away: Whitlam Square isn’t inherently anti promotion and relegation. Steven Lowy’s recent comments prove that. FFA are just desperate for the A-League to work first. Fair enough.
They’re also worried that the A-League owners consider their multi-year licences a legally-binding right to play in the elite league.
Yet I’m willing to gamble that these are businessmen who know a good bet when they see one. If football takes off in Australia, they have more to gain than anyone. Way more.
So the time has come to put options on the table regarding a second division. Real options. Ones that are inclusive, intelligent and, above all, viable.
Viable enough that no club goes broke in this second tier. Ambitious enough that every club commits to an agreed set of minimum standards.
Prove it works, over a few years, and then can we talk about promotion and relegation. But if it proves beyond the collective capabilities, the deal is off.
Australian football should be looking at a national second division in the next three years. Such is the debate, that will look like three years too late or 30 years too early. C'est la vie.
But putting it off any longer and the game risks falling into the NRL and AFL trap: the top league becomes simply too strong to be linked to those below it.
Just don’t expect the FFA to come to the party on this one. Nor do they necessarily have to. Not yet. A compelling, irresistible case must be created first.
Their focus is on creating a money-making elite – Socceroos, Matildas, A-League – and hoping that inspires a generation to take the game on, with TV networks paying big dollars, thus infusing the game with money to spend and heroes to worship.
That’s fine, but if the rest of the sport waits for a master plan that sees their ambitions fulfilled, good luck. Likewise, throwing an entitlement tantrum will be seen as pedantic.
Football Federation Australia chairman Steven Lowy said the A-League needs to focus more on sustainability rather than spreading their wings through expansion.
So the call to arms has to go out. A second division needs creating but it requires something that hasn’t happened yet: the interested parties must come together and work as one.
It’s time the likes of South Melbourne, Adelaide City, Brisbane Strikers, Sydney Olympic and any other forward-thinking clubs – perhaps the Sutherland Sharks – got together and formed a collective plan.
It’s time those clubs reached out to the markets the A-League hasn’t quite reached: Canberra, Geelong and Wollongong, and those it forgot, Gold Coast and Townsville, as obvious starting points.
Those regions know the A-League ship has sailed. David Gallop is determined to “fish where the fish are”, so their only hope, for now, is to dig in for the next division.
Indeed, A-League 2 would become the testing ground for Australian football. For new clubs and regions; for hungry young players and ambitious coaches.
Imagine the sight of all these teams coming together for the launch party – just like the A-League in Darling Harbour in 2004 – and tell me that doesn’t make your juices flow.
If it sounds ambitious, that’s because it is. But the A-League was ambitious. So was the FFA Cup. Doomsayers tried to kill them both. Look at them now.
For mine, Professional Footballers Australia loom as the ideal party to help facilitate everyone coming together; it was indeed their modelling that gave birth to the A-League.
Over a decade on, they remain the only industry body who could probably execute the vision for a second tier. It’s also in their interests – a rush of new members – to find the right model.
Tempting though it is to lump the responsibility on the FFA, it’s time the football community – particularly those ambitious clubs – began driving this one from the ground up.
The opportunity is there but the clock is ticking. A-League 2 is waiting.
theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/05/24/dont-wait-ffa-promotion-and-relegation-our-hands
