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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 15:12:28 GMT
I'd much prefer colonel Sanders of im honest.
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Nov 10, 2016 15:18:24 GMT
I'd say inequality has been the substrate to the rise of right-wing populism that has been symptomatic in lots of countries. In France, as you know it was one of my research lines, Hollande has been to the right like the UMP or the recently funded LR, causing the impression that no matter for who you vote, it's all the same. Thus, the FN grew 14%. We must accept that what we call 'the left-wing' has been a bit far from the working class and it shouldn't be. I do not see the Dems as properly 'left' as the American polarization has its particularities but you get the idea, Trump is one of the faces of the said populism.
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Post by RAZ on Nov 10, 2016 15:32:21 GMT
Just to say, Bernie Sanders would have been worse than Trump. Rather a right wing maniac than an ultra left wing liberal hippie. I see it as the exact opposite way |
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Post by Stew on Nov 10, 2016 16:46:39 GMT
Just to say, Bernie Sanders would have been worse than Trump. Rather a right wing maniac than an ultra left wing liberal hippie. What are you, 60?!! |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 10, 2016 17:19:44 GMT
The Democrat voter turnout was the lowest in the last 3 elections according to some reports. If you don't go out and vote, you have absolutely no right to cry about the results thereafter. Absolute fucking pillocks. Like all those arseholes who wanted Bernie and threw a strop when he didn't win deserve four years of Trump. Doesn't matter who was running for the Dems, when the alternative is Trump you fucking stand up. Loads of these cunts on Reddit atm. Used to be a decent, if biased, source of news for US Politics. Now it's genuinely unbearable to read any thread with even a hint of politics. Edit: I'd much prefer Bernie to Trump, and whether he had a shot at winning depends on whether you think the vote was 'anti-Clinton' (in which case Biden would have had a better shot, and had he run for the Democratic nomination I think he would have got it) or 'anti-insider' (in which case Bernie probably does have a decent chance). Both cases can be made. What pisses me off is the Reddit morons who are 100% certain Bernie would win because of a few polls 6 months ago that found he would do better than Trump in certain sections of the rust belt, and are convinced he only lost the nomination because Hillary rigged it. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 10, 2016 17:31:36 GMT
Polls are done btw. Whatever credibility they had is finished. I'm not actually sure this is true. If you look at the best national polls they had Clinton around +3 with a margin of error of 2; Clinton ended up +1 nationally. It was state polling that was the problem, and that vary massively in quality from state to state. Website such as fivethirtyeight still did good work, and if you're interested their post-election podcast had some interesting discussion on why the polls weren't doing well in some states. The real problem was people taking Clinton +3 and saying that meant she was guaranteed to win. Fivethirtyeight saying she had a 66% chance was probably spot on; 33% chance for Trump was not insignificant, and he only needed a 2 point swing from the poll average of +3 across the board (which he got) to get the win he had. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 10, 2016 18:09:47 GMT
I'd say inequality has been the substrate to the rise of right-wing populism that has been symptomatic in lots of countries. In France, as you know it was one of my research lines, Hollande has been to the right like the UMP or the recently funded LR, causing the impression that no matter for who you vote, it's all the same. Thus, the FN grew 14%. We must accept that what we call 'the left-wing' has been a bit far from the working class and it shouldn't be. I do not see the Dems as properly 'left' as the American polarization has its particularities but you get the idea, Trump is one of the faces of the said populism. Think Hollande will be extremely worried about Trump's victory with regard to Le Pen, as will the Dutch with Wilders,both countries face elections next year and the popular right wing parties seem to be well on the rise. Not sure about Germany though,even with the huge influx of migrants and the protests,and trouble from some of them thereafter, Merkel still seems popular,ain't for nothing the Germans call her "Mutti" although the far right ADF has polled well recently-You'd think they'd have finished with thar wouldnt you? I think the modern electorate are moving quickly to an "anyone but you" doctrine,aptly demonstrated by the Brexit vote here in U.K. and the "left" or what I left of it here in Europe, seems increasingly marginalised,out of touch and subsumed by radicals. |
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Post by smithy2 on Nov 10, 2016 19:08:51 GMT
Just to say, Bernie Sanders would have been worse than Trump. Rather a right wing maniac than an ultra left wing liberal hippie. Ahh yes I forgot about all those wars liberal hippies have started throughout history. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 19:40:14 GMT
I'd say inequality has been the substrate to the rise of right-wing populism that has been symptomatic in lots of countries. In France, as you know it was one of my research lines, Hollande has been to the right like the UMP or the recently funded LR, causing the impression that no matter for who you vote, it's all the same. Thus, the FN grew 14%. We must accept that what we call 'the left-wing' has been a bit far from the working class and it shouldn't be. I do not see the Dems as properly 'left' as the American polarization has its particularities but you get the idea, Trump is one of the faces of the said populism. Think Hollande will be extremely worried about Trump's victory with regard to Le Pen, as will the Dutch with Wilders,both countries face elections next year and the popular right wing parties seem to be well on the rise. Not sure about Germany though,even with the huge influx of migrants and the protests,and trouble from some of them thereafter, Merkel still seems popular,ain't for nothing the Germans call her "Mutti" although the far right ADF has polled well recently-You'd think they'd have finished with thar wouldnt you? I think the modern electorate are moving quickly to an "anyone but you" doctrine,aptly demonstrated by the Brexit vote here in U.K. and the "left" or what I left of it here in Europe, seems increasingly marginalised,out of touch and subsumed by radicals. The hard right in Europe will be in control before long. They've rebranded themselves more efficiently than the left and are making huge strides in popularity. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 19:56:41 GMT
Yeah can't agree with that. But then I'm a leftie hippie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 20:00:36 GMT
E* "I hope for their sake, it doesn't turn out as bad as it they say it will." I don't think Trump is going to be as big of a disaster on the world stage as some people think. He's a climate change denier, which is going to fuck everyone, but I doubt he's going to start warmongering or destroying diplomatic relations or anything like that. But I honestly think things are going to get shit within America. In exchange for being allowed to strut around and play president, I expect Trump will let his hardline buddies Pence, Gingrich, Bachmann, Carson, and the like do whatever the fuck they want - The affordable care act gone, Planned Parenthood defunded, social programs gutted, all laws seen as 'anti-Christian' under threat... And with Republicans in charge of all branches of government, it's going to be difficult to stop them unless moderate Republicans make a stand. I hope those twats who wrote in a meme or protest voted think it was worth it. That's exactly what will happen. Ben Carson btw has been lined up for some big positions. He's a more dangerous cunt thsn Trump. And Guilliani too. |
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Post by redcase on Nov 10, 2016 20:16:03 GMT
Like all those arseholes who wanted Bernie and threw a strop when he didn't win deserve four years of Trump. Doesn't matter who was running for the Dems, when the alternative is Trump you fucking stand up. Loads of these cunts on Reddit atm. Used to be a decent, if biased, source of news for US Politics. Now it's genuinely unbearable to read any thread with even a hint of politics. Edit: I'd much prefer Bernie to Trump, and whether he had a shot at winning depends on whether you think the vote was 'anti-Clinton' (in which case Biden would have had a better shot, and had he run for the Democratic nomination I think he would have got it) or 'anti-insider' (in which case Bernie probably does have a decent chance). Both cases can be made. What pisses me off is the Reddit morons who are 100% certain Bernie would win because of a few polls 6 months ago that found he would do better than Trump in certain sections of the rust belt, and are convinced he only lost the nomination because Hillary rigged it. That dumb twat did rig it though. I have another controversial complaint about the Hilary whiners and excuse makers. The glass ceiling agenda propagated by all the women in the world right now. Fuck. Off. You. Twats. These idiots are moaning about trump for the sole reason that they wanted to see a woman president. It makes me want to use Lucille to facepalm myself. Repeatedly. They didn't give a flying fuck about the right candidate being chosen in the proper manner to represent them , oh no. Perfectly happy to watch a rigged primary to biasedly appoint the worst candidate possible , to run against him. This is what happens when the presidency is used as a tool for winning gender politics. Imbeciles. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Nov 10, 2016 21:04:14 GMT
I'd say inequality has been the substrate to the rise of right-wing populism that has been symptomatic in lots of countries. In France, as you know it was one of my research lines, Hollande has been to the right like the UMP or the recently funded LR, causing the impression that no matter for who you vote, it's all the same. Thus, the FN grew 14%. We must accept that what we call 'the left-wing' has been a bit far from the working class and it shouldn't be. I do not see the Dems as properly 'left' as the American polarization has its particularities but you get the idea, Trump is one of the faces of the said populism. Think Hollande will be extremely worried about Trump's victory with regard to Le Pen, as will the Dutch with Wilders,both countries face elections next year and the popular right wing parties seem to be well on the rise. Not sure about Germany though,even with the huge influx of migrants and the protests,and trouble from some of them thereafter, Merkel still seems popular,ain't for nothing the Germans call her "Mutti" although the far right ADF has polled well recently-You'd think they'd have finished with thar wouldnt you? I think the modern electorate are moving quickly to an "anyone but you" doctrine,aptly demonstrated by the Brexit vote here in U.K. and the "left" or what I left of it here in Europe, seems increasingly marginalised,out of touch and subsumed by radicals. I'd put my money on Sarkozy first. He's the most chances of being elected in 2017, much more than Le Pen. Not only Germany, but countries like Switzerland (SVP) and especially Austria (FPO) have registered the same phenomenon. On another note, the % of people who didn't vote in the United States is crazy. Not sure whether Sanders would've won this. |
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Post by Kamilo on Nov 11, 2016 0:47:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 0:50:35 GMT
I find it fascinating our American friends have made about two comments & then left here. I find myself terrified & needing to talk about it. This whole thing could be genuinely nothing but am I the only one who sees parallels between Muslims (Jews) & non Aryans (Mexicans) etc? It feels like I've been jerked back in time to the 1930's. Some people at my work are even telling me he's going to clean the country up & then have no idea people like Pence & Carson are.
This isn't just happening in the U.S
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