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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 23:58:17 GMT
I do feel Jose's pragmatism is a big asset in 2-leg knockout football. It's why he generally does so well in these competitions. I think the quarters will represent a good season in Europe this season but I wouldn't be surprised to see us go further.
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Post by grandpaTJ on Nov 1, 2017 1:51:37 GMT
Fook em all! Just win Baby!!!
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Post by Max United on Nov 1, 2017 2:54:54 GMT
We have cruised through this group in second gear. When was the last time that happened? Under Fergie we had some shockers in on-paper easy groups. Haven't been anything more than okay because we haven't needed to be. Can only beat what's put in front of you and right now all we need to be doing is beating teams. I have a weird feeling about Mourinho in Europe this season that it's one of two things. Either we'll do an England and fail as soon as we meet a half-decent or well organised side, or we win the damn thing. Good to know that I’m not the only one feeling this way. Last time Jose won the Europa League... we all know what happened next year. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 1, 2017 8:34:39 GMT
We have cruised through this group in second gear. When was the last time that happened? Under Fergie we had some shockers in on-paper easy groups. Haven't been anything more than okay because we haven't needed to be. Can only beat what's put in front of you and right now all we need to be doing is beating teams. I have a weird feeling about Mourinho in Europe this season that it's one of two things. Either we'll do an England and fail as soon as we meet a half-decent or well organised side, or we win the damn thing. I feel the same way. Real may get ther shit together after Christmas but also may not. Barca aren’t the team they were a few years ago, nor are Bayern. PSG look great but lets not forget what happened last year. City are City. There’s a real chance for us to do something significant in the competition this season. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 1, 2017 8:36:33 GMT
We have cruised through this group in second gear. When was the last time that happened? Under Fergie we had some shockers in on-paper easy groups. Haven't been anything more than okay because we haven't needed to be. Can only beat what's put in front of you and right now all we need to be doing is beating teams. I have a weird feeling about Mourinho in Europe this season that it's one of two things. Either we'll do an England and fail as soon as we meet a half-decent or well organised side, or we win the damn thing. Good to know that I’m not the only one feeling this way. Last time Jose won the Europa League... we all know what happened next year. 60 years since Munich next year. Let it happen. Even the press would love it. |
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Post by redcase on Nov 1, 2017 9:23:09 GMT
We have cruised through this group in second gear. When was the last time that happened? Under Fergie we had some shockers in on-paper easy groups. Haven't been anything more than okay because we haven't needed to be. Can only beat what's put in front of you and right now all we need to be doing is beating teams. I have a weird feeling about Mourinho in Europe this season that it's one of two things. Either we'll do an England and fail as soon as we meet a half-decent or well organised side, or we win the damn thing. I feel the same way. Real may get ther shit together after Christmas but also may not. Barca aren’t the team they were a few years ago, nor are Bayern. PSG look great but lets not forget what happened last year. City are City. There’s a real chance for us to do something significant in the competition this season. Who are you people and where are the pragmatic mods and admins I know ?? |
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Post by Karma on Nov 1, 2017 9:31:16 GMT
We have cruised through this group in second gear. When was the last time that happened? Under Fergie we had some shockers in on-paper easy groups. Haven't been anything more than okay because we haven't needed to be. Can only beat what's put in front of you and right now all we need to be doing is beating teams. I have a weird feeling about Mourinho in Europe this season that it's one of two things. Either we'll do an England and fail as soon as we meet a half-decent or well organised side, or we win the damn thing. I feel the same way. Real may get ther shit together after Christmas but also may not. Barca aren’t the team they were a few years ago, nor are Bayern. PSG look great but lets not forget what happened last year. City are City. There’s a real chance for us to do something significant in the competition this season. I think old Father Time is finally catching up with Ronaldo . Despite him still being very good he's had a quiet season so far. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 1, 2017 9:44:02 GMT
I feel the same way. Real may get ther shit together after Christmas but also may not. Barca aren’t the team they were a few years ago, nor are Bayern. PSG look great but lets not forget what happened last year. City are City. There’s a real chance for us to do something significant in the competition this season. I think old Father Time is finally catching up with Ronaldo . Despite him still being very good he's had a quiet season so far. Good. Sick of Madrid. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 1, 2017 10:10:44 GMT
I feel the same way. Real may get ther shit together after Christmas but also may not. Barca aren’t the team they were a few years ago, nor are Bayern. PSG look great but lets not forget what happened last year. City are City. There’s a real chance for us to do something significant in the competition this season. I think old Father Time is finally catching up with Ronaldo . Despite him still being very good he's had a quiet season so far. People were saying this this time last year too, and then from February through to the end of the season he just destroyed everything he faced. I think he had 2 goals in the CL before the QFs, and then ended up top scorer despite his last 5 games being vs. Bayern, Atleti and Juve. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 1, 2017 10:20:38 GMT
I think English clubs in general have a better chance than usual this year. Real do look to be starting a transition, as are Barca and Bayern, whilst PSG tend to falter in this competition and Juve and Atleti seem to have lost some steam (particularly Atleti, who have saved Chelsea from an early exit). A few teams still look better than us right now - PSG and sadly City come to mind - but the knockouts are a completely different ball game and, honestly, you can take very little from the group stages. Real finished second in their group last year and won both the semis and the final with ease. I have a real feeling that Bayern are nowhere near as weakened as people think, and could go on and win it. PSG do look ominous too.
I think Jose’s style is suited to knockout football, particularly over two legs, as he has shown throughout his whole career. At Porto he won it. At Chelsea the first time, he got knocked out twice in the semis iirc, once by a ghost goal. At Inter he got done by us (we were the best team in the world at the time) and then won it. At Real he got to 3 semi finals, and though he arguably should have won one of them he certainly didn’t do badly and laid the foundations for Real’s dominance in the coming years. In his second spell at Chelsea he got to the semis before getting beaten by an Atleti team that were simply better at what Jose does than Jose’s own team at the time, and then the following year he had that surprising exit to... PSG was it? I don’t remember that one. That was probably his weakest season in Europe. After that, of course, he won the Europa League with us.
Honestly, since Inter, Jose’s record in the leagues he has been in has been pretty patchy by his standards, but his European record is amazing. I think no one here would have realistically set a target beyond reaching the QFs, and barring a shit draw for the second round we should be doing that now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:25:01 GMT
www.football365.com/news/f365s-early-winner-scott-mctominay-and-man-united-youth“Scott? Even more fantastic with a manager who never gives a chance to a young guy.” When pressed further on the performance of the latest player to progress from the Manchester United youth system to the first team, Jose Mourinho reiterated the same point: “Again, with a manager who never gives a chance to young guys, I’m very happy for Scott. [He has] great stability and great personality.” McTominay was not spectacular on his Champions League debut against Benfica, but nor was he ever intended to be. Mourinho’s choice of words was telling; the 20-year-old was there not just to play alongside Nemanja Matic, but to learn from him. Few guarantee “stability” quite like the Serb. This was an all-round performance. Matic was the only player to have more touches and attempt more passes. Matteo Darmian was the only player to complete more tackles. Daley Blind was the only player to make more interceptions. Romelu Lukaku was the only player to win more headers. No player completed more dribbles. This was 90 minutes of stability, solidity and security, save for a couple of understandable mistakes from a rookie learning on the job. For any young player on their full Champions League debut, it was an assured performance. But for McTominay, it continues his remarkable and unique development at Old Trafford. “I think when I was 13 or 14, if I was at another club who weren’t as patient with me as I was smaller and not playing games, I think they might have thought: ‘We’ll just get rid of him’,” he said last September, going on to describe how, over the previous 18 months – “it’s probably even longer than that” – he had grown from 5ft 6ins to 6ft 4ins. “I always knew I was going to be quite tall but maybe not that tall!” Such a dramatic growth spurt came with countless issues. McTominay suffered a series of injuries related to his rapid physical development, and the game against Benfica was only his 49th at any level for United from the Under-18s to the senior side since August 2013. Even more impressive is that, having grown ten inches in two years, he was forced to make the transition from diminutive forward to rangy central midfielder. For a young player already battling changes to his body, this would test his attitude and capacity to learn and adapt. For McTominay, the path from youth team to first team was never going to be straightforward, but a former teammate had proven it was possible. “Marcus and I were in the Under-16s and we used to do 45 minutes each,” he said of Rashford last year. “We both weren’t capable of playing the full game. That was in the No. 10 role and we’ve both moved positions; he’s gone up front and I’ve dropped back into midfield.” Mourinho often uses Rashford as an example of his faith in youth, but McTominay is a far more relevant case. Rashford forced his way into contention with goals and performances belying his young years; McTominay will require much more time and patience. Just as Rashford capitalised on fortune, scoring four goals in two games when Anthony Martial was struck down by injury in February 2016, McTominay has had to rely on circumstance. The 20-year-old was part of the club’s pre-season tour of America in the summer, but returned to the reserves squad by August. It was only when Andreas Pereira decided to leave on loan in search of regular first-team football that Mourinho opted to promote McTominay instead of signing a replacement. “You have to be ready to fight for a position and I am a bit disappointed that he left,” said Mourinho of Pereira’s choice to join Valencia. “It is not a drama but is a decision that disappoints me a little bit. “I think his decision can be considered a decision of a young player who wants to play every weekend but can also be considered a decision by a young player that is not ready to fight for something difficult and it’s difficult to play in the Manchester United midfield.” As a player who has been fighting all his life, McTominay is ready to take the opportunity with both hands. Matt Stead
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Post by _ on Nov 1, 2017 10:41:36 GMT
I do feel Jose's pragmatism is a big asset in 2-leg knockout football. It's why he generally does so well in these competitions. I think the quarters will represent a good season in Europe this season but I wouldn't be surprised to see us go further. Have you seen how the second places are shaping up? I wouldn't get carried away at this stage Could be Napoli, Bayern, Roma, Real, Juve, Sevilla It's been a while since we have played teams of that calibre and won |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 1, 2017 10:53:56 GMT
I do feel Jose's pragmatism is a big asset in 2-leg knockout football. It's why he generally does so well in these competitions. I think the quarters will represent a good season in Europe this season but I wouldn't be surprised to see us go further. Have you seen how the second places are shaping up? I wouldn't get carried away at this stage Could be Napoli, Bayern, Roma, Real, Juve, Sevilla It's been a while since we have played teams of that calibre and won Spurs last weekend? They’re at least as good as Sevilla, and quite possibly Roma and Napoli too. They also held their own against Real the other week. |
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Post by _ on Nov 1, 2017 11:10:32 GMT
Have you seen how the second places are shaping up? I wouldn't get carried away at this stage Could be Napoli, Bayern, Roma, Real, Juve, Sevilla It's been a while since we have played teams of that calibre and won Spurs last weekend? They’re at least as good as Sevilla, and quite possibly Roma and Napoli too. They also held their own against Real the other week. Not saying we can't beat them, but it's a high probability we would draw a big team on form in the knockout stages and the 1/4. We could be a different team come the New Year with players back. I'm just saying we shouldn't get carried away at this stage |
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Post by Sméagol on Nov 1, 2017 11:11:41 GMT
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